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I disagree, at least at the matter of degree. Scorsese said "[f]or me, for the filmmakers I came to love and respect, for my friends who started making movies

by calyth2018 7y ago

I disagree, at least at the matter of degree. Scorsese said "[f]or me, for the filmmakers I came to love and respect, for my friends who started making movies around the same time that I did, cinema was about revelation — aesthetic, emotional and spiritual revelation. It was about characters — the complexity of people and their contradictory and sometimes paradoxical natures, the way they can hurt one another and love one another and suddenly come face to face with themselves." The paradoxical nature has been there between Thor and Loki, for example. Or Thanos and Gamorra. The most revelatory Marvel movie was Captain America the Winter Soldier. "Steve Rogers: The Future? How could it know? [Sitwell laughs] Jasper Sitwell: How could it not? The 21st century is a digital book. Zola taught HYDRA how to read it. [Steve and Natasha look at him in confusion] Jasper Sitwell: Your bank records, medical histories, voting patterns, e-mails, phone calls, your damn SAT scores. Zola’s algorithm evaluates peoples’ past to predict their future. Steve Rogers: And what then? Jasper Sitwell: Oh, my God. Pierce is going to kill me. Steve Rogers: What then?! Jasper Sitwell: Then the Insight Helicarriers scratch people off the list. A few millions at a time." Coincidence or intentional, the fact that they kept that plot line after Snowden, that took balls. IIRC a lot of films around 2001 re-shot in respect of 9/11, and they could have re-shoot if they wanted to avoid it. I can agree that these aren't the forefront of most Marvel plots. But I can think of far more movies that I'd accuse as not-cinema before I'd go after Marvel.

arrakeen 7y ago
so tell me exactly what revelation that scene made you have about yourself or the human condition? or what complex emotion that you have no words to describe did it evoke? these are a few things that film-as-art strives for. it's ok to like these movies, taste is entirely subjective. but just because you really like something doesn't mean you can declare it to be something that many, many people have been spent decades determining the criteria by which it is judged
- krapp 7y ago
  > but just because you really like something doesn't mean you can declare it to be something that many, many people have been spent decades determining the criteria by which it is judged Please provide us with the entire canonical list of objective criteria by which film is determined to be art. I can only assume from this statement and its confidence that there is such a list, and that it is universally agreed upon. After all, it's not as if "art" is a broad and deeply subjective category, even when applied to the medium of film. Because, of the two criteria you've provided, I could name plenty of films commonly considered "art" which didn't evoke either a revelation or a complex emotion which I couldn't describe.

arrakeen 7y ago

so tell me exactly what revelation that scene made you have about yourself or the human condition? or what complex emotion that you have no words to describe did it evoke? these are a few things that film-as-art strives for. it's ok to like these movies, taste is entirely subjective. but just because you really like something doesn't mean you can declare it to be something that many, many people have been spent decades determining the criteria by which it is judged

krapp 7y ago
> but just because you really like something doesn't mean you can declare it to be something that many, many people have been spent decades determining the criteria by which it is judged Please provide us with the entire canonical list of objective criteria by which film is determined to be art. I can only assume from this statement and its confidence that there is such a list, and that it is universally agreed upon. After all, it's not as if "art" is a broad and deeply subjective category, even when applied to the medium of film. Because, of the two criteria you've provided, I could name plenty of films commonly considered "art" which didn't evoke either a revelation or a complex emotion which I couldn't describe.