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I suspect when companies start doing that you’ll see more people in our industry avoiding these unethical companies. It’s a fact that young people are demanding

I suspect when companies start doing that you’ll see more people in our industry avoiding these unethical companies. It’s a fact that young people are demanding more ethical workplaces, even finance is adapting to the new labour market.

georgeburdell 7y ago
Argument from authority. Given student loans and rent increases in the past decade, I imagine “young people” care most about paying their bills. The ones protesting are the privileged few
- mercurysmessage 7y ago
  > I imagine “young people” care most about paying their bills That's politics too
- Iv 7y ago
  Students loans are a pretty American thing. Not all engineers come from US. Many of us can afford to have opinions.
- faizshah 7y ago
  Citing a logical fallacy doesn’t make a statement false. There’s numerous sources supporting this(note that these are 3 different surveys from 3 different sources from 3 different years all showing the same result): ”Nearly nine out of ten, or 86 percent, of millennials (those between the ages of 22 and 37) would consider taking a pay cut to work at a company whose mission and values align with their own, according to LinkedIn’s latest Workplace Culture report. By comparison, only 9 percent of baby boomers (those between the ages of 54 and 72) would.“ https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/27/nearly-9-out-of-10-millennials-would-consider-a-pay-cut-to-get-this.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/27/nearly-9-out-of-10-millennia... “At least those are the results of a new survey out from insurer MetLife, which found that nine out of 10 people would choose a company with similar values over a job that pays more. And they are willing to take a pretty big pay cut to make sure those values align with their own. The average pay cut employees were willing to take was 21%. The findings were not limited to high-wage earners: People who made less than $50,000 a year also said they still were willing to part with at least some of their salaries for the right company.” https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/11/29/money-no-longer-biggest-incentive-selecting-job/901899001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/11/29/money-no-lon... ”Almost half the workforce (42%) now want to work for an organisation that has a positive impact on the world, according to research carried out by consultancy Global Tolerance. The survey of more than 2,000 people in the UK found 44% thought meaningful work that helped others was more important than a high salary and 36% would work harder if their company benefitted society. The change, it would appear, is being driven by the so-called millennials. Of those born between 1981 and 1996, 62% want to work for a company that makes a positive impact, half prefer purposeful work to a high salary, and 53% would work harder if they were making a difference to others.“ https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/may/05/millennials-employment-employers-values-ethics-jobs https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/may/05...
  - repolfx 7y ago
    They say they would consider it? Sure, such a weak claim is bound to get 90%+ agreeing with it. Who wouldn't say they'd consider it? Now how many actually do? Not that many, for sure.
    - faizshah 7y ago
      > Who wouldn't say they'd consider it? "By comparison, only 9 percent of baby boomers (those between the ages of 54 and 72) would." > Now how many actually do? Not that many, for sure. Conjecture at best.
- romwell 7y ago
  >The ones protesting are the privileged few That's why they are protesting, you know. Because "having an opinion", "not being chained by a loan until you are old", and so on should not be a "privileged" position in any sort of environment I personally want to live in. What is your point exactly anyway? "Not all people can afford to express opinions and influence their employers, so those who can should not be taken into account"? That's a non-sequitur, if you like attaching fallacy labels to statements.
badrabbit 7y ago
Companies are not supposed to be a way by which you enforce your moral beliefs. You have laws and elections for that. How would you like if businesses turn you away because of your unethical beliefs?
- Analemma_ 7y ago
  > Companies are not supposed to be a way by which you enforce your moral beliefs. Says who? I don't know about your ethical system, but mine certainly doesn't demand that I confine ethics to one sphere and never let it touch the others. Indeed, such an ethical system sounds completely broken to me.
  - badrabbit 7y ago
    Your ethical system is impractical and toxic. Your ethical system works by way of forcing your views on others. Perhaps if you were denied access to services,businesses,jobs,etc... Because of your ethical system you can appreciate the problem? "I can treat you this way but you can't treat me the same way" sounds hypocritical does it not? You're right so you get to discriminate be intoletant and harm others,is that what you're saying? If you're so right let us use established systems of society to codify your beliefs,don't use your influence amd wallet to twist arms like a coward against those who lack your power and influence. A system where people don't arm-twist and harm each other but use civilized discussion and peaceful discourse to patiently bring about desired change is what I support. I do not support using your power as an employer, business owner,boss, monopoly(google) and other positions of power and influence to force others to practice your beliefs! I bet you would lose your mind if a religious person enforcef their religious beliefs the same way or if the people you disagree with did the same thing. With your way,it is not the voice of who is right or of the majority that prevails but the strongest and most powerful win. And with your way phsyical violence and war are inevitable. Like ghandi said,be the change you wish to see. And tell others with your lowdest most peaceful voice,that's peaceful change. If that don't work for you then use violence and arm-twisting like this and let history repeat once more.
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zarkov99 7y ago
Maybe. Maybe you will see good people gravitating to companies where they can do good work in peace, without being bothered by the self virtuous.

georgeburdell 7y ago

Argument from authority. Given student loans and rent increases in the past decade, I imagine “young people” care most about paying their bills. The ones protesting are the privileged few

mercurysmessage 7y ago
> I imagine “young people” care most about paying their bills That's politics too
Iv 7y ago
Students loans are a pretty American thing. Not all engineers come from US. Many of us can afford to have opinions.
faizshah 7y ago
Citing a logical fallacy doesn’t make a statement false. There’s numerous sources supporting this(note that these are 3 different surveys from 3 different sources from 3 different years all showing the same result): ”Nearly nine out of ten, or 86 percent, of millennials (those between the ages of 22 and 37) would consider taking a pay cut to work at a company whose mission and values align with their own, according to LinkedIn’s latest Workplace Culture report. By comparison, only 9 percent of baby boomers (those between the ages of 54 and 72) would.“ https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/27/nearly-9-out-of-10-millennials-would-consider-a-pay-cut-to-get-this.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/27/nearly-9-out-of-10-millennia... “At least those are the results of a new survey out from insurer MetLife, which found that nine out of 10 people would choose a company with similar values over a job that pays more. And they are willing to take a pretty big pay cut to make sure those values align with their own. The average pay cut employees were willing to take was 21%. The findings were not limited to high-wage earners: People who made less than $50,000 a year also said they still were willing to part with at least some of their salaries for the right company.” https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/11/29/money-no-longer-biggest-incentive-selecting-job/901899001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/11/29/money-no-lon... ”Almost half the workforce (42%) now want to work for an organisation that has a positive impact on the world, according to research carried out by consultancy Global Tolerance. The survey of more than 2,000 people in the UK found 44% thought meaningful work that helped others was more important than a high salary and 36% would work harder if their company benefitted society. The change, it would appear, is being driven by the so-called millennials. Of those born between 1981 and 1996, 62% want to work for a company that makes a positive impact, half prefer purposeful work to a high salary, and 53% would work harder if they were making a difference to others.“ https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/may/05/millennials-employment-employers-values-ethics-jobs https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/may/05...
- repolfx 7y ago
  They say they would consider it? Sure, such a weak claim is bound to get 90%+ agreeing with it. Who wouldn't say they'd consider it? Now how many actually do? Not that many, for sure.
  - faizshah 7y ago
    > Who wouldn't say they'd consider it? "By comparison, only 9 percent of baby boomers (those between the ages of 54 and 72) would." > Now how many actually do? Not that many, for sure. Conjecture at best.
romwell 7y ago
>The ones protesting are the privileged few That's why they are protesting, you know. Because "having an opinion", "not being chained by a loan until you are old", and so on should not be a "privileged" position in any sort of environment I personally want to live in. What is your point exactly anyway? "Not all people can afford to express opinions and influence their employers, so those who can should not be taken into account"? That's a non-sequitur, if you like attaching fallacy labels to statements.

badrabbit 7y ago

Companies are not supposed to be a way by which you enforce your moral beliefs. You have laws and elections for that. How would you like if businesses turn you away because of your unethical beliefs?

Analemma_ 7y ago
> Companies are not supposed to be a way by which you enforce your moral beliefs. Says who? I don't know about your ethical system, but mine certainly doesn't demand that I confine ethics to one sphere and never let it touch the others. Indeed, such an ethical system sounds completely broken to me.
- badrabbit 7y ago
  Your ethical system is impractical and toxic. Your ethical system works by way of forcing your views on others. Perhaps if you were denied access to services,businesses,jobs,etc... Because of your ethical system you can appreciate the problem? "I can treat you this way but you can't treat me the same way" sounds hypocritical does it not? You're right so you get to discriminate be intoletant and harm others,is that what you're saying? If you're so right let us use established systems of society to codify your beliefs,don't use your influence amd wallet to twist arms like a coward against those who lack your power and influence. A system where people don't arm-twist and harm each other but use civilized discussion and peaceful discourse to patiently bring about desired change is what I support. I do not support using your power as an employer, business owner,boss, monopoly(google) and other positions of power and influence to force others to practice your beliefs! I bet you would lose your mind if a religious person enforcef their religious beliefs the same way or if the people you disagree with did the same thing. With your way,it is not the voice of who is right or of the majority that prevails but the strongest and most powerful win. And with your way phsyical violence and war are inevitable. Like ghandi said,be the change you wish to see. And tell others with your lowdest most peaceful voice,that's peaceful change. If that don't work for you then use violence and arm-twisting like this and let history repeat once more.
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zarkov99 7y ago

Maybe. Maybe you will see good people gravitating to companies where they can do good work in peace, without being bothered by the self virtuous.