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Kuhl.com has been doing the same thing. Backcountry.com and Kuhl.com are going after the small guy over nonsense. Both Utah based companies too...

by alphag 7y ago

magduf 7y ago
Well Utah is also the place where SCO Group was (is?); this was the company that tried to claim they owned Linux and insisted on selling licenses to it and suing companies that used Linux without buying one.
ummonk 7y ago
Who has Kuhl been going after? It's a unique spelling so surely people wouldn't be inadvertently infringing on it?
- rlonstein 7y ago
  A quick web search shows that they sued Jagermeister and L.L. Bean... * https://www.snewsnet.com/news/kuhl-sues-jagermeister-trademark-infringement https://www.snewsnet.com/news/kuhl-sues-jagermeister-tradema... * https://www.snewsnet.com/news/kuhl-sues-llbean https://www.snewsnet.com/news/kuhl-sues-llbean
  - alphag 7y ago
    You will also find many more filed under their corporate name: Alfwear
    - rlonstein 7y ago
      You're right. A bicycle company, Kulkote fabrics (also happens to be in Utah, which is interesting), others?
      - ummonk 7y ago
        Okay yeah these lawsuits are really quite the stretch in claiming infringement.
- alphag 7y ago
  It's not a unique spelling. It is the word "cool" in German. Many companies use it because of this. Similar story to Backcountry. Using a generic word and trademarking it and thinking they own it. This is hypocritical as the mission statement for the outside community as they all opt for public access, shared access, and community except when it affects their wallets.
  - ummonk 7y ago
    It is a unique word in English, and even there not a word that would be naturally used to describe clothing. The founder of kuhl seems to be engaging in really ridiculous lawsuits though.
dylan604 7y ago
But are they really based in Utah, or just have their paperwork on file there because it made the most sense to file there? I was given the several options including Utah and Delaware as a place to file my company. Not sure what the implication you're making is.
- seanlane 7y ago
  They are based and ran out of Park City, UT, so it's more than just a paper relationship. We certainly have our fair share of less-than-scrupulous companies here.
- doytch 7y ago
  Backcountry and their sister site Competitive Cyclist are actually physically based in Utah, including their customer service reps.
- Jamwinner 7y ago
  No, they are utah based. Utah has a very specific mindset. Its neither better not worse, but distinct from the nation, and neighboring states, in a way hard to pin down. Yes, tons of mormons play a large factor, but does not encompass the whole distinction. Not every implication is nuanced or implying something large, often we just see something is going on beyond the normal noise.
  - dfcagency 7y ago
    I wanted to reply and add on to this, but you're already getting downvoted. Utah is a very strange place to do business, I'd almost argue it as sort of isolationist with a love for lawyers, so this makes complete sense.

Kuhl.com has been doing the same thing. Backcountry.com and Kuhl.com are going after the small guy over nonsense. Both Utah based companies too...

by alphag 7y ago

Kuhl.com has been doing the same thing. Backcountry.com and Kuhl.com are going after the small guy over nonsense. Both Utah based companies too...

magduf 7y ago

Well Utah is also the place where SCO Group was (is?); this was the company that tried to claim they owned Linux and insisted on selling licenses to it and suing companies that used Linux without buying one.

ummonk 7y ago

Who has Kuhl been going after? It's a unique spelling so surely people wouldn't be inadvertently infringing on it?

rlonstein 7y ago
A quick web search shows that they sued Jagermeister and L.L. Bean... * https://www.snewsnet.com/news/kuhl-sues-jagermeister-trademark-infringement https://www.snewsnet.com/news/kuhl-sues-jagermeister-tradema... * https://www.snewsnet.com/news/kuhl-sues-llbean https://www.snewsnet.com/news/kuhl-sues-llbean
- alphag 7y ago
  You will also find many more filed under their corporate name: Alfwear
  - rlonstein 7y ago
    You're right. A bicycle company, Kulkote fabrics (also happens to be in Utah, which is interesting), others?
    - ummonk 7y ago
      Okay yeah these lawsuits are really quite the stretch in claiming infringement.
alphag 7y ago
It's not a unique spelling. It is the word "cool" in German. Many companies use it because of this. Similar story to Backcountry. Using a generic word and trademarking it and thinking they own it. This is hypocritical as the mission statement for the outside community as they all opt for public access, shared access, and community except when it affects their wallets.
- ummonk 7y ago
  It is a unique word in English, and even there not a word that would be naturally used to describe clothing. The founder of kuhl seems to be engaging in really ridiculous lawsuits though.

dylan604 7y ago

But are they really based in Utah, or just have their paperwork on file there because it made the most sense to file there? I was given the several options including Utah and Delaware as a place to file my company. Not sure what the implication you're making is.

seanlane 7y ago
They are based and ran out of Park City, UT, so it's more than just a paper relationship. We certainly have our fair share of less-than-scrupulous companies here.
doytch 7y ago
Backcountry and their sister site Competitive Cyclist are actually physically based in Utah, including their customer service reps.
Jamwinner 7y ago
No, they are utah based. Utah has a very specific mindset. Its neither better not worse, but distinct from the nation, and neighboring states, in a way hard to pin down. Yes, tons of mormons play a large factor, but does not encompass the whole distinction. Not every implication is nuanced or implying something large, often we just see something is going on beyond the normal noise.
- dfcagency 7y ago
  I wanted to reply and add on to this, but you're already getting downvoted. Utah is a very strange place to do business, I'd almost argue it as sort of isolationist with a love for lawyers, so this makes complete sense.