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Sorry HN-user from developing world (Bangladesh). All AMP pages are about 10 % size of standard pages - at least for the newspapers and blogs. Until you tell

Sorry HN-user from developing world (Bangladesh). All AMP pages are about 10 % size of standard pages - at least for the newspapers and blogs. Until you tell all your webdevs/managers to remove all tracking+loading 25 scripts from universe... Please keep AMP. From Guardian, BBC to Washpost or our national dailies - it is horribly slow. Our dailies also show 'notifications' even on desktop!

input_sh 7y ago
Firefox and Safari solve that same issue (with reader view) without the need to destroy open web in the process.
- jm_l 7y ago
  I don't believe Firefox reader saves bandwidth, just alters the users view.
- derivagral 7y ago
  I love reader view in Firefox, but is it possible to set it default in Android? Otherwise I still have to load most of the assets.
- mattnewton 7y ago
  They don't download less bytes, they just throw them away. It's a solution to a different problem (that the site has become unusable, not that it loads unbearably slow) Disclaimer: I'm a googler, my options are my own, I am not connected to the AMP project.
  - pmoriarty 7y ago
    "Disclaimer: I'm a googler, my options are my own, I am not connected to the AMP project." Nice Freudian slip which points to one important reason why some Googlers won't criticize their own company's behavior.
    - mattnewton 7y ago
      I mean, it's a good quip, but it's autocorrect, and we don't get stock options we get restricted stock units :P One of the reasons why I work at Google is, as a former web developer I didn't feel AMP was a problem. I did feel MAVEN was a problem, despite what that could do for my stocks. I get the criticism and do think AMP has a lot of problems, but I also think it's crazy that's what we are talking about in an article about oil and gas activism. /Shrug
      - pmoriarty 7y ago
        Do you feel all the tracking Google does of people is a problem? What about manipulating people through advertising?
        mav3rick 7y ago
        Did you ever watch Television growing up ? Or you're bitter because it's cool to be anti Google these days.
        eclipxe 7y ago
        How does Google manipulate people through advertising?
    - davidcbc 7y ago
      If Googlers weren't criticizing their own company's behavior there wouldn't be news stories every week about the new thing Googlers are criticizing Google about. I find that Googlers as a whole are way more willing to criticize Google (both publicly and internally) than employees any other company I've worked for.
- Kiro 7y ago
  No, that solves nothing that AMP solves. Your comment is disinformation that make it seem like a non-issue. Bandwidth is a real problem in developing countries that I feel people are not taking seriously. I don't think you understand the difference AMP makes.
  - marcus_holmes 7y ago
    some developing countries. Cambodia (well, Phnom Penh) mobile data rates are amazing, way better than Australia (for example). Seeing tuk-tuk drivers earning $20/day watching YouTube non-stop while waiting for fares is weird. They definitely aren't going to see a difference from AMP.
Kiro 7y ago
It's very easy for someone in a country with good internet to have opinions about AMP. Their hate for it is apparently more important than people from developing countries being able to access internet.
shadowgovt 7y ago
This observation should be signal-boosted. AMP makes a lot less sense from the point of view of people who never touch the Internet via sub-1MBPS connections and sub-5 second latencies.
abtinf 7y ago
Use the uMatrix plugin with Firefox.
int_19h 7y ago
AMP is dangerous precisely because it does solve problem. The catch is that the solution comes with strings attached, and those strings contribute to establishing Google as a web monoculture.

input_sh 7y ago

Firefox and Safari solve that same issue (with reader view) without the need to destroy open web in the process.

jm_l 7y ago
I don't believe Firefox reader saves bandwidth, just alters the users view.
derivagral 7y ago
I love reader view in Firefox, but is it possible to set it default in Android? Otherwise I still have to load most of the assets.
mattnewton 7y ago
They don't download less bytes, they just throw them away. It's a solution to a different problem (that the site has become unusable, not that it loads unbearably slow) Disclaimer: I'm a googler, my options are my own, I am not connected to the AMP project.
- pmoriarty 7y ago
  "Disclaimer: I'm a googler, my options are my own, I am not connected to the AMP project." Nice Freudian slip which points to one important reason why some Googlers won't criticize their own company's behavior.
  - mattnewton 7y ago
    I mean, it's a good quip, but it's autocorrect, and we don't get stock options we get restricted stock units :P One of the reasons why I work at Google is, as a former web developer I didn't feel AMP was a problem. I did feel MAVEN was a problem, despite what that could do for my stocks. I get the criticism and do think AMP has a lot of problems, but I also think it's crazy that's what we are talking about in an article about oil and gas activism. /Shrug
    - pmoriarty 7y ago
      Do you feel all the tracking Google does of people is a problem? What about manipulating people through advertising?
      - mav3rick 7y ago
        Did you ever watch Television growing up ? Or you're bitter because it's cool to be anti Google these days.
      - eclipxe 7y ago
        How does Google manipulate people through advertising?
  - davidcbc 7y ago
    If Googlers weren't criticizing their own company's behavior there wouldn't be news stories every week about the new thing Googlers are criticizing Google about. I find that Googlers as a whole are way more willing to criticize Google (both publicly and internally) than employees any other company I've worked for.
Kiro 7y ago
No, that solves nothing that AMP solves. Your comment is disinformation that make it seem like a non-issue. Bandwidth is a real problem in developing countries that I feel people are not taking seriously. I don't think you understand the difference AMP makes.
- marcus_holmes 7y ago
  some developing countries. Cambodia (well, Phnom Penh) mobile data rates are amazing, way better than Australia (for example). Seeing tuk-tuk drivers earning $20/day watching YouTube non-stop while waiting for fares is weird. They definitely aren't going to see a difference from AMP.

Kiro 7y ago

It's very easy for someone in a country with good internet to have opinions about AMP. Their hate for it is apparently more important than people from developing countries being able to access internet.

shadowgovt 7y ago

This observation should be signal-boosted. AMP makes a lot less sense from the point of view of people who never touch the Internet via sub-1MBPS connections and sub-5 second latencies.

abtinf 7y ago

Use the uMatrix plugin with Firefox.

int_19h 7y ago

AMP is dangerous precisely because it does solve problem. The catch is that the solution comes with strings attached, and those strings contribute to establishing Google as a web monoculture.