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this is a pretty compelling survey: http://lifeworth.com/deepadaptation.pdf http://lifeworth.com/deepadaptation.pdf

by ptah 7y ago

hannob 7y ago
Unfortunately this is not based on real science. The main argument relies on a source called "arctic news", which is a crank blog. These doomsday messages aren't helpful. The situation is bad. The real science is grueling. Telling people that there's nothing to be done any more isn't helpful.
- ptah 7y ago
  it is generally agreed that doing everything we can now will only give us a 50/50 chance of avoiding catastrophic climate change. seeing as we will not do everything we can, it is reasonable to think that it is too late https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/carbon-cuts-only-give-5050-chance-of-saving-planet-1640154.html https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/car...
  - hannob 7y ago
    "Catastrophic climate change" is not a binary thing where you either have it or you don't. We'll almost certainly have catastrophic climate change. It will still make a huge difference if we try to limit it as much as possible or if we just go on without caring.
    - ptah 7y ago
      it is in fact binary. there is a tipping point, a point of no return, where what we do will not make a difference as the momentum is too big. EDIT: at this point there is still a chance but the odds are not in our favour. EDIT: 10 years ago we had a 50/50 chance as that article quotes UK Met Office
      - basch 7y ago
        its a spectrum of "not bad, bad, really bad, really really bad" Its not just "itll happen" without a degree of how bad.
        ptah 7y ago
        i'm not talking about how bad it will be, i am talking about how much of a difference changes made by us will make. there is a point where even if we stopped all carbon emissions it will not stop climate change
        basch 7y ago
        it's not a "will it flood or not" it's "how many miles from the coast will we lose to the ocean" Is the water going to come 2 miles in or 30? Both are catastrophic, but to different degrees.

this is a pretty compelling survey: http://lifeworth.com/deepadaptation.pdf http://lifeworth.com/deepadaptation.pdf

by ptah 7y ago

this is a pretty compelling survey: http://lifeworth.com/deepadaptation.pdf http://lifeworth.com/deepadaptation.pdf

Unfortunately this is not based on real science. The main argument relies on a source called "arctic news", which is a crank blog. These doomsday messages aren't helpful. The situation is bad. The real science is grueling. Telling people that there's nothing to be done any more isn't helpful.

ptah 7y ago
it is generally agreed that doing everything we can now will only give us a 50/50 chance of avoiding catastrophic climate change. seeing as we will not do everything we can, it is reasonable to think that it is too late https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/carbon-cuts-only-give-5050-chance-of-saving-planet-1640154.html https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/car...
- hannob 7y ago
  "Catastrophic climate change" is not a binary thing where you either have it or you don't. We'll almost certainly have catastrophic climate change. It will still make a huge difference if we try to limit it as much as possible or if we just go on without caring.
  - ptah 7y ago
    it is in fact binary. there is a tipping point, a point of no return, where what we do will not make a difference as the momentum is too big. EDIT: at this point there is still a chance but the odds are not in our favour. EDIT: 10 years ago we had a 50/50 chance as that article quotes UK Met Office
    - basch 7y ago
      its a spectrum of "not bad, bad, really bad, really really bad" Its not just "itll happen" without a degree of how bad.
      - ptah 7y ago
        i'm not talking about how bad it will be, i am talking about how much of a difference changes made by us will make. there is a point where even if we stopped all carbon emissions it will not stop climate change
        basch 7y ago
        it's not a "will it flood or not" it's "how many miles from the coast will we lose to the ocean" Is the water going to come 2 miles in or 30? Both are catastrophic, but to different degrees.