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It's pretty much the lack of technical ambition (programmers, engineers, etc). I reckon 1% of technical people will attempt to try starting something. This is

by Joakal 16y ago

It's pretty much the lack of technical ambition (programmers, engineers, etc). I reckon 1% of technical people will attempt to try starting something. This is an issue in gender-dominated industries. I bet there's a similar article for child care: "What Stops Male Founders?"

jacquesm 16y ago
Ambition is not the whole story. Women that do have ambition (technical or not) are dissuaded by a whole series of subtle and not so subtle social cues that that is not their place to be. Even when they're just as good as everybody else.
- Joakal 16y ago
  There's a lot of such clues for men too but for me at least, I'm ignoring it because I believe in what I do. Are you making it out to be a great conspiracy against women?
  - jacquesm 16y ago
    No, no conspiracy, just conventions that we would probably do better without but which are deeply ingrained in society. So deep that we're no longer even aware of them.
    - Joakal 16y ago
      "No, no conspiracy, just conventions that we would probably do better without but which are deeply ingrained in society. .. So deep that we're no longer even aware of them." This is so silly. If that was true, gays would be executed/exiled, interracial marriages remain banned, slaves would continue to serve the masters, etc.
      - jacquesm 16y ago
        I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not but on the off chance that you are not that describes the situation in fairly large chunks of the world.
        Joakal 16y ago
        Are we discussing USA if not the western world? This was assumed from the author's article of why women are given as much chance as men to be a founder yet prefer not to (She's promoting a female founder meetup in NYC).
        jacquesm 16y ago
        Women are facing pretty much the same issues in greater or lesser form the world over, you added in all the other items that have no bearing on the subject as proof that those things are 'no longer issues', but while they're no longer an issue for a large number of people the fact is that there is lots of social pressure against interracial marriages even today in the USA, there is tons of discrimination against gays today in the USA, the only thing you've probably dealt with successfully is slavery. The rest of the world is more or less lucky with all of those depending on the location and the crib that you were born in to. So, even if we limit our view to the US then it's not all roses, and the female-male wage gap is still very much present. some links to underscore these points: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2%80%93female_income_disparity_in_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2%80%93female_income_disp... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_State... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_States Really, we're far from there, on paper everybody is equal but in real life that's absolutely not true, not even close, and gender equality in founders is just a reflection of gender equality issues earlier in life, in the educational system and in society in general.
        Joakal 16y ago
        I was challenging your absolutist statement that humanity can't deal with social prejudices by being unaware: "No, no conspiracy, just conventions that we would probably do better without but which are deeply ingrained in society. .. So deep that we're no longer even aware of them." So I presented the country's people of the author who has dealt with the issues tremendously well compared to 'large chunks' of the world. Oh, and slavery still exists today in USA, even for child sex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_USA#Modern_instances http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_USA#Modern_instances

by Joakal 16y ago

jacquesm 16y ago

Ambition is not the whole story. Women that do have ambition (technical or not) are dissuaded by a whole series of subtle and not so subtle social cues that that is not their place to be. Even when they're just as good as everybody else.

Joakal 16y ago
There's a lot of such clues for men too but for me at least, I'm ignoring it because I believe in what I do. Are you making it out to be a great conspiracy against women?
- jacquesm 16y ago
  No, no conspiracy, just conventions that we would probably do better without but which are deeply ingrained in society. So deep that we're no longer even aware of them.
  - Joakal 16y ago
    "No, no conspiracy, just conventions that we would probably do better without but which are deeply ingrained in society. .. So deep that we're no longer even aware of them." This is so silly. If that was true, gays would be executed/exiled, interracial marriages remain banned, slaves would continue to serve the masters, etc.
    - jacquesm 16y ago
      I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not but on the off chance that you are not that describes the situation in fairly large chunks of the world.
      - Joakal 16y ago
        Are we discussing USA if not the western world? This was assumed from the author's article of why women are given as much chance as men to be a founder yet prefer not to (She's promoting a female founder meetup in NYC).
        jacquesm 16y ago
        Women are facing pretty much the same issues in greater or lesser form the world over, you added in all the other items that have no bearing on the subject as proof that those things are 'no longer issues', but while they're no longer an issue for a large number of people the fact is that there is lots of social pressure against interracial marriages even today in the USA, there is tons of discrimination against gays today in the USA, the only thing you've probably dealt with successfully is slavery. The rest of the world is more or less lucky with all of those depending on the location and the crib that you were born in to. So, even if we limit our view to the US then it's not all roses, and the female-male wage gap is still very much present. some links to underscore these points: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2%80%93female_income_disparity_in_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2%80%93female_income_disp... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_State... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_States Really, we're far from there, on paper everybody is equal but in real life that's absolutely not true, not even close, and gender equality in founders is just a reflection of gender equality issues earlier in life, in the educational system and in society in general.
        Joakal 16y ago
        I was challenging your absolutist statement that humanity can't deal with social prejudices by being unaware: "No, no conspiracy, just conventions that we would probably do better without but which are deeply ingrained in society. .. So deep that we're no longer even aware of them." So I presented the country's people of the author who has dealt with the issues tremendously well compared to 'large chunks' of the world. Oh, and slavery still exists today in USA, even for child sex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_USA#Modern_instances http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_USA#Modern_instances