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I do not think you understood his point. It's not about comics. It could as well be monster flicks or romcoms or what have you. The genre, in fact, the entire c

I do not think you understood his point. It's not about comics. It could as well be monster flicks or romcoms or what have you. The genre, in fact, the entire content, is irrelevant to his point. It's about the creative process that underlies the making of the movie. Let's make a technical analogy. There's a profound difference in products made by the vision of a single person or maybe two co-founders, and the kind of products that are design-by-committee in big enterprises. The first kind takes risks, explores new ideas, disrupts the industry. The second kind is usually made to fit a predetermined market niche. It exploits market analysis, and usually leverages some existing tech in order to quickly deliver RoI. And that's what Marvel movies are. They're soulless, because no soul has written or directed them. Every detail has been polished and considered by several other people. But it's just Marvel, it's all franchise movies. It didn't even start with Marvel. It's just the most successful and most prominent example.

jmcqk6 7y ago
It's bullshit to say that only individuals can makes things "with soul." Why is having multiple people polishing and examining details a weakness? Marvel did disrupt the industry when the MCU came out. Look at how many cinematic universes have been attempted now. The MCU is the largest and most successful. This is just pretension, not insight.
- Bud 7y ago
  The fact that your argument is that Marvel "disrupted the industry" proves Marty's point better than he ever could have.
- crankylinuxuser 7y ago
  Marvel is also a worldwide copyright, sensitive to Taiwan, China, Russia, Pakistan, India, Israel, and all other "hard geopolitical issues". Pandering to comic book characters, with larger than life evildoers is a slam bet to make money. And the max viewing is what, 8 billion? Making films for the US is limiting your market to 300m max. The numbers for how much films cost doesn't make sense to not make worldwide distributions.
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diminoten 7y ago
Sounds like he doesn't like adaptations, then, which doesn't make any sense at all. The Russo Bros, Favreau, Joss Whedon, James Gunn, Chris Nolan, Stan Lee, Bruce Timm. These aren't committee members, these are the visionaries that make the movies Mr. Scorsese seems to think have no soul, taken no risk. Besides, he didn't call out franchise movies, he called out Marvel films. Your interpretation doesn't hold water. Adaptations have existed for decades, he doesn't seem to mind them, he even makes them! Do you think he invented "Bill the Butcher"?
dimator 7y ago
It's interesting to wonder if the marvel comics themselves are created as you say, by motivated individuals or by committee. Definitely the origin stories (at least the ones we've been fed) are of one, sometimes two, writers, hatching basically every super hero character we know. But those origin stories are all in the past (the most recent that's culturally noticed is MacFarlane with Spawn?) I wonder if the current vanguard of marvel comics (or others) are driven by individuals or by committee. I would guess that it's closer to the former, because comic _books_ are still not the enormous business that the movies are, and hence have much fewer people to please. Hopefully Marvel et al are wise enough to hand the reigns of new, current books over to new, motivated, and individual, writers.
- diminoten 7y ago
  It's individuals today! Scott Snyder had a run with Batman, so did Grant Morrison (both wonderful in their own way), then you've got Tom King, and who could forget Frank Miller or Alan More. You've got Alex Ross with Superman, Gail Simone, Hickman, Bendis, Brian K. Vaughn (The Walking Dead, Saga, Y: The Last Man, anyone?), the ever present Geoff Johns, Neil Gaiman... To say comics are written by committee is to not know any of the names above, and to not know any of the names above is to not know anything about comics.

jmcqk6 7y ago

It's bullshit to say that only individuals can makes things "with soul." Why is having multiple people polishing and examining details a weakness? Marvel did disrupt the industry when the MCU came out. Look at how many cinematic universes have been attempted now. The MCU is the largest and most successful. This is just pretension, not insight.

Bud 7y ago
The fact that your argument is that Marvel "disrupted the industry" proves Marty's point better than he ever could have.
crankylinuxuser 7y ago
Marvel is also a worldwide copyright, sensitive to Taiwan, China, Russia, Pakistan, India, Israel, and all other "hard geopolitical issues". Pandering to comic book characters, with larger than life evildoers is a slam bet to make money. And the max viewing is what, 8 billion? Making films for the US is limiting your market to 300m max. The numbers for how much films cost doesn't make sense to not make worldwide distributions.

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diminoten 7y ago

Sounds like he doesn't like adaptations, then, which doesn't make any sense at all. The Russo Bros, Favreau, Joss Whedon, James Gunn, Chris Nolan, Stan Lee, Bruce Timm. These aren't committee members, these are the visionaries that make the movies Mr. Scorsese seems to think have no soul, taken no risk. Besides, he didn't call out franchise movies, he called out Marvel films. Your interpretation doesn't hold water. Adaptations have existed for decades, he doesn't seem to mind them, he even makes them! Do you think he invented "Bill the Butcher"?

dimator 7y ago

It's interesting to wonder if the marvel comics themselves are created as you say, by motivated individuals or by committee. Definitely the origin stories (at least the ones we've been fed) are of one, sometimes two, writers, hatching basically every super hero character we know. But those origin stories are all in the past (the most recent that's culturally noticed is MacFarlane with Spawn?) I wonder if the current vanguard of marvel comics (or others) are driven by individuals or by committee. I would guess that it's closer to the former, because comic _books_ are still not the enormous business that the movies are, and hence have much fewer people to please. Hopefully Marvel et al are wise enough to hand the reigns of new, current books over to new, motivated, and individual, writers.

diminoten 7y ago
It's individuals today! Scott Snyder had a run with Batman, so did Grant Morrison (both wonderful in their own way), then you've got Tom King, and who could forget Frank Miller or Alan More. You've got Alex Ross with Superman, Gail Simone, Hickman, Bendis, Brian K. Vaughn (The Walking Dead, Saga, Y: The Last Man, anyone?), the ever present Geoff Johns, Neil Gaiman... To say comics are written by committee is to not know any of the names above, and to not know any of the names above is to not know anything about comics.