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This manifesto forbids moderators from banning users on a forum! It’s completely unworkable. I profoundly doubt whether the author has ever moderated a forum be

This manifesto forbids moderators from banning users on a forum! It’s completely unworkable. I profoundly doubt whether the author has ever moderated a forum before, say nothing of a meaningful social media site. Why should we listen to any of this?!

danShumway 7y ago
Banning users from a forum is literally the second right I list. > Both users and communities have the right to filter and organize the content they consume and host https://anewdigitalmanifesto.com/#right-to-filter https://anewdigitalmanifesto.com/#right-to-filter
- dfabulich 7y ago
  That’s not what filtering means. Filtering is kill files, ignoring people you want to ignore. (Look at that icon, of a person plugging his own ears.) If I’ve banned you from my forum, you’ve lost your right to communicate there. If I can do that, if Facebook and Twitter and Hacker News can all “de-platform” you, all without violating your right to communicate, then the right to communicate means nothing.
  - danShumway 7y ago
    See the thread on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21444900 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21444900 for more details on why the Right to Communicate and the Right to Filter are not mutually exclusive. The TLDR: - The Right to Communicate describes voluntary communication between multiple parties that want to communicate, not the ability to force someone to listen to you. - The Right to Communicate is not a right to access to every single private platform or community, any more than the Right to Modify is a invitation to hack 3rd-party computers. - Nevertheless, it is valuable to have a right that guarantees access to encryption, including encrypted metadata, and that enshrines a right to create, distribute, and host communication tools, including websites. If it's not clear to readers that filtering content includes filtering content sources, I'll look into making that text easier to understand. But I do know what the Right to Filter is intended to mean, because I wrote it.

danShumway 7y ago

Banning users from a forum is literally the second right I list. > Both users and communities have the right to filter and organize the content they consume and host https://anewdigitalmanifesto.com/#right-to-filter https://anewdigitalmanifesto.com/#right-to-filter

dfabulich 7y ago
That’s not what filtering means. Filtering is kill files, ignoring people you want to ignore. (Look at that icon, of a person plugging his own ears.) If I’ve banned you from my forum, you’ve lost your right to communicate there. If I can do that, if Facebook and Twitter and Hacker News can all “de-platform” you, all without violating your right to communicate, then the right to communicate means nothing.
- danShumway 7y ago
  See the thread on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21444900 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21444900 for more details on why the Right to Communicate and the Right to Filter are not mutually exclusive. The TLDR: - The Right to Communicate describes voluntary communication between multiple parties that want to communicate, not the ability to force someone to listen to you. - The Right to Communicate is not a right to access to every single private platform or community, any more than the Right to Modify is a invitation to hack 3rd-party computers. - Nevertheless, it is valuable to have a right that guarantees access to encryption, including encrypted metadata, and that enshrines a right to create, distribute, and host communication tools, including websites. If it's not clear to readers that filtering content includes filtering content sources, I'll look into making that text easier to understand. But I do know what the Right to Filter is intended to mean, because I wrote it.