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Sounds like you have some real problems in your society for that bad experience at school. Surely if you're the gifted individual you claim you are, you'll wan

Sounds like you have some real problems in your society for that bad experience at school. Surely if you're the gifted individual you claim you are, you'll want to change society rather than seclude yourself from it as much as you can get away with. The non-gifted kids, whatever the fuck that means, don't deserve to bullied/abused either.

borski 7y ago
The non-gifted kids (to use your terminology) weren't bullied or abused. They were friends. They played sports together. I played sports too, just not with them, because I wasn't invited to. I wasn't 'cool.' I 'tried too hard.' I 'cared too much about learning.' Not sure what you're going for here?
- seamyb88 7y ago
  I added a "non" to the word in the title of the post to indicate the opposite of that thing. But my terminology.
  - borski 7y ago
    You followed it up by "whatever the fuck that means," implying that you were unclear on what 'gifted' (or the opposite thereof) meant in the first place. I wasn't looking to get into a debate on what it means to be gifted or not, and thus I was making it very clear that I was using your verbiage, and not being disparaging.
downerending 7y ago
No one deserves to be bullied. And I'd be pretty okay with permanently removing bullies from the general population. That said, in my experience, the gifted/nerdy/aspy kids got the lion's share of the bullying. I still carry it with me decades later, and at least one of my comrades in misery killed herself because of it.
- seamyb88 7y ago
  Do you have kids? Suppose you have two. One's into javascript and dungeons and dragons. The other's not great academically. No good at football either, and they still behave in a slightly awkward way. But great person, all the same. So, you condemn the latter child to the cesspit that is public life and protect the former? Or think up a better policy?
  - chimi 7y ago
    The gifted kids are bullied by their very nature, because they are different. They have abilities that create envy in others. That envy prompts bullying to neutralize their abundance. Someone with abundance in a community of scarcity is a target for bullying. That bullying robs the individual and society of those gifts. So, yes, we protect the gifted, precisely so their gifts survive to benefit all of society, including the bullies. That's the irony. The gifted want by their nature to share their gifts and do so -- even with the bullies and at their own expense. The average individual is much less likely to be bullied and thus need less protection.
    - seamyb88 7y ago
      I went to a Grammar school and am finishing a PhD. Pretty damn nerdy. These gifted wonder kids you speak of... you reckon they aren't going to bully? I was selected at the age of 11 and told how magnificent I was. Growing up was still tough. "It'll all be ok if we keep away from the riff-raff" doesn't do anything but say "we can only really afford to educate X amount of kids". This lot are brick layers. Of course who am I talking to? I don't know. Might be somebody who thinks gifted means Daddy has a yacht.
      - chimi 7y ago
        I had a single mom with a government job. Being discovered as gifted saved my life. I am still bullied to this very day. Most recently I was fired by bullies for refusing to write illegal software and now the company could be in serious legal trouble. Gifted people don't escape bullying by growing up and it has immeasurably costly ramifications for society at large.
pmoriarty 7y ago
"The hope to change the world is a childish illusion. You have to change yourself." Marie-Louise Von Franz

borski 7y ago

The non-gifted kids (to use your terminology) weren't bullied or abused. They were friends. They played sports together. I played sports too, just not with them, because I wasn't invited to. I wasn't 'cool.' I 'tried too hard.' I 'cared too much about learning.' Not sure what you're going for here?

seamyb88 7y ago
I added a "non" to the word in the title of the post to indicate the opposite of that thing. But my terminology.
- borski 7y ago
  You followed it up by "whatever the fuck that means," implying that you were unclear on what 'gifted' (or the opposite thereof) meant in the first place. I wasn't looking to get into a debate on what it means to be gifted or not, and thus I was making it very clear that I was using your verbiage, and not being disparaging.

downerending 7y ago

No one deserves to be bullied. And I'd be pretty okay with permanently removing bullies from the general population. That said, in my experience, the gifted/nerdy/aspy kids got the lion's share of the bullying. I still carry it with me decades later, and at least one of my comrades in misery killed herself because of it.

seamyb88 7y ago
Do you have kids? Suppose you have two. One's into javascript and dungeons and dragons. The other's not great academically. No good at football either, and they still behave in a slightly awkward way. But great person, all the same. So, you condemn the latter child to the cesspit that is public life and protect the former? Or think up a better policy?
- chimi 7y ago
  The gifted kids are bullied by their very nature, because they are different. They have abilities that create envy in others. That envy prompts bullying to neutralize their abundance. Someone with abundance in a community of scarcity is a target for bullying. That bullying robs the individual and society of those gifts. So, yes, we protect the gifted, precisely so their gifts survive to benefit all of society, including the bullies. That's the irony. The gifted want by their nature to share their gifts and do so -- even with the bullies and at their own expense. The average individual is much less likely to be bullied and thus need less protection.
  - seamyb88 7y ago
    I went to a Grammar school and am finishing a PhD. Pretty damn nerdy. These gifted wonder kids you speak of... you reckon they aren't going to bully? I was selected at the age of 11 and told how magnificent I was. Growing up was still tough. "It'll all be ok if we keep away from the riff-raff" doesn't do anything but say "we can only really afford to educate X amount of kids". This lot are brick layers. Of course who am I talking to? I don't know. Might be somebody who thinks gifted means Daddy has a yacht.
    - chimi 7y ago
      I had a single mom with a government job. Being discovered as gifted saved my life. I am still bullied to this very day. Most recently I was fired by bullies for refusing to write illegal software and now the company could be in serious legal trouble. Gifted people don't escape bullying by growing up and it has immeasurably costly ramifications for society at large.

pmoriarty 7y ago

"The hope to change the world is a childish illusion. You have to change yourself." Marie-Louise Von Franz