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>I don't have an exact name for it, but I can see the difference between my older neighbor and what he values in his Porsche vs what I value in my Model S. Mor

by tmh88j 7y ago

>I don't have an exact name for it, but I can see the difference between my older neighbor and what he values in his Porsche vs what I value in my Model S. More interest in the driving experience rather than just a form of transportation? As a die-hard auto enthusiast I can assure you that a lot of younger people would be driving Porsches if they weren't so expensive. The 911 is now starting at over $110k and the entry level Boxster and Cayman just under $60k. Porsche's options are also notoriously expensive, so if you don't custom order a barebones model through the dealer and wait for it to be made that $57k Cayman is likely going to cost you $75k+. There are a lot of objectively better performing sports cars for those prices, but none of them have the refinement that Porsche offers. Also, the PDK is quite possibly the best DCT available on a car under $200k. I have a GT-R if that tells you anything about what I value in a car. For most auto enthusiasts Tesla is pretty far down on the list of desirable vehicles for anything other than a dense traffic daily driving commute. I've driven a few Teslas and while they're nice vehicles packed with awesome technology, they don't check the boxes I'm interested in for how much they cost.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Most auto enthusiasts will end up in a performance Model 3 (I’d wager). Hard to beat the value compared to the other vehicles (and their exceedingly high prices) you mentioned. https://youtube.com/watch?v=DSRWKxytW40 https://youtube.com/watch?v=DSRWKxytW40 (Top Gear Model 3 vs BMW M3)
- tmh88j 7y ago
  I'm not sure that you fully understand what aspects of a car's performance that enthusiasts seek. Just about any car can slide around a corner or go fast with enough coaxing, but the feedback and feel are not something that can be programmed or "tricked" into the experience. I say that as a GT-R owner, a car that is often criticized by enthusiasts as a "computer on wheels". A common saying in the auto enthusiast community to emphasize handling and feedback goes something like "it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow". That's not a literal statement about velocity, but more about how driver feedback is almost everything in the driving experience. Driving a Miata at on a curvy road with hairpin turns is more fun to me than doing the same in a Ferrari 488. The Ferrari is capable of so much more, but it doesn't provide the same experience to the driver in that environment. EV's in the same way have a much narrower scope of "ideal enjoyment" due to physical limitations, but in time they'll be worked out. Most enthusiasts will absolutely not end up in a performance Model 3 for quite some time. I've been behind the wheel of one, along with a Model S P90D and a Model X P100D. They have impressive low end acceleration, but from an auto enthusiast's point of view that's where their allure ends. Model 3's (and all Teslas in general) have very poor top end acceleration which is crucial for track use and drag racing, they're extremely heavy for their size, they overheat easily with aggressive driving and most importantly they feel numb and isolated to the driver. Those are all great for a comfy daily driver, but for performance driving they're all negatives. I'm excited to see how the Taycan fares, because Porsche knows how to design enthusiast cars. If anyone is going to bring EV's to the consumer auto enthusiasts, it's them.
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by tmh88j 7y ago

toomuchtodo 7y ago

Most auto enthusiasts will end up in a performance Model 3 (I’d wager). Hard to beat the value compared to the other vehicles (and their exceedingly high prices) you mentioned. https://youtube.com/watch?v=DSRWKxytW40 https://youtube.com/watch?v=DSRWKxytW40 (Top Gear Model 3 vs BMW M3)

tmh88j 7y ago
I'm not sure that you fully understand what aspects of a car's performance that enthusiasts seek. Just about any car can slide around a corner or go fast with enough coaxing, but the feedback and feel are not something that can be programmed or "tricked" into the experience. I say that as a GT-R owner, a car that is often criticized by enthusiasts as a "computer on wheels". A common saying in the auto enthusiast community to emphasize handling and feedback goes something like "it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow". That's not a literal statement about velocity, but more about how driver feedback is almost everything in the driving experience. Driving a Miata at on a curvy road with hairpin turns is more fun to me than doing the same in a Ferrari 488. The Ferrari is capable of so much more, but it doesn't provide the same experience to the driver in that environment. EV's in the same way have a much narrower scope of "ideal enjoyment" due to physical limitations, but in time they'll be worked out. Most enthusiasts will absolutely not end up in a performance Model 3 for quite some time. I've been behind the wheel of one, along with a Model S P90D and a Model X P100D. They have impressive low end acceleration, but from an auto enthusiast's point of view that's where their allure ends. Model 3's (and all Teslas in general) have very poor top end acceleration which is crucial for track use and drag racing, they're extremely heavy for their size, they overheat easily with aggressive driving and most importantly they feel numb and isolated to the driver. Those are all great for a comfy daily driver, but for performance driving they're all negatives. I'm excited to see how the Taycan fares, because Porsche knows how to design enthusiast cars. If anyone is going to bring EV's to the consumer auto enthusiasts, it's them.
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