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I can only speak for the Netherlands, we have a tiered high school system, and you can enter most university programs with just a high school diploma of the hig

I can only speak for the Netherlands, we have a tiered high school system, and you can enter most university programs with just a high school diploma of the highest tier.

Aaronstotle 7y ago
That's interesting, it seems that this shifts the entrance exam of college to earlier in a student's life (making high school entrance exams much more valuable compared to the United States.)
- kaffeemitsahne 7y ago
  Yes, fwiw your high school level is determined at the end of primary school based on your teachers' recommendations and a standardized test. But there is quite some mobility possible between high school levels.
mlthoughts2018 7y ago
Then the high school exams just become the de facto college entry exams. It still adds all kind of wealth privilege gates to who gets free tuition at the best schools.
- morsch 7y ago
  If that's the case, it's a privilege afforded to about 50% of each year's students (Germany, presumably it's not much different for our neighbours). For people who don't qualify due to their high school education, there are opportunities to gain access later in life, and people who did that make up about 30% of each year's university students. Obviously, nothing is perfect. Source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiturientenquote_und_Studienanf%C3%A4ngerquote https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiturientenquote_und_Studiena...
treis 7y ago
That's known as "tracking" in the States and has a history of racial discrimination. There's little chance it will be implemented in the states.
- joe5150 7y ago
  are you talking about diploma pathways: "advanced"/"standard" diplomas and things of that nature? because that's the norm in several states.
  - treis 7y ago
    More along the lines of everyone takes a test and the top X% are in the college prep track, the next Y% are in the 2 year community college track, and the rest are on the industrial/shop class track.
    - joe5150 7y ago
      oh, interesting. I hadn't heard of that. racial disparities appear in the distribution of different degree "tiers" in states that use those systems, too, and in some the degree you get in high school determines your eligibility for some types of college funding, so it sounds like it's a similar problem potentially.

I can only speak for the Netherlands, we have a tiered high school system, and you can enter most university programs with just a high school diploma of the highest tier.

Aaronstotle 7y ago

That's interesting, it seems that this shifts the entrance exam of college to earlier in a student's life (making high school entrance exams much more valuable compared to the United States.)

kaffeemitsahne 7y ago
Yes, fwiw your high school level is determined at the end of primary school based on your teachers' recommendations and a standardized test. But there is quite some mobility possible between high school levels.

mlthoughts2018 7y ago

Then the high school exams just become the de facto college entry exams. It still adds all kind of wealth privilege gates to who gets free tuition at the best schools.

morsch 7y ago
If that's the case, it's a privilege afforded to about 50% of each year's students (Germany, presumably it's not much different for our neighbours). For people who don't qualify due to their high school education, there are opportunities to gain access later in life, and people who did that make up about 30% of each year's university students. Obviously, nothing is perfect. Source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiturientenquote_und_Studienanf%C3%A4ngerquote https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiturientenquote_und_Studiena...

treis 7y ago

That's known as "tracking" in the States and has a history of racial discrimination. There's little chance it will be implemented in the states.

joe5150 7y ago
are you talking about diploma pathways: "advanced"/"standard" diplomas and things of that nature? because that's the norm in several states.
- treis 7y ago
  More along the lines of everyone takes a test and the top X% are in the college prep track, the next Y% are in the 2 year community college track, and the rest are on the industrial/shop class track.
  - joe5150 7y ago
    oh, interesting. I hadn't heard of that. racial disparities appear in the distribution of different degree "tiers" in states that use those systems, too, and in some the degree you get in high school determines your eligibility for some types of college funding, so it sounds like it's a similar problem potentially.