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Sure, but do you seriously think a socialist revolution can happen without a civil war? How do you get rid of those who don't want it? This wasn't the only fami
by m0zg 7y ago
Sure, but do you seriously think a socialist revolution can happen without a civil war? How do you get rid of those who don't want it? This wasn't the only famine BTW. My great-grandma witnessed cannibalism in the south of Russia (the "bread basket" region) in early 30s. This is the same famine as Holodomor, many people don't know but it affected some regions in Russia too. I heard her first-hand account of it before she died. No civil war, no drought, just communist authoritarian rule. Basically all food supplies were diverted to the cities. NKVD would literally shoot starving people for stealing a handful of grain: worse than Waffen SS ~10 years after that.
- disintegore 7y agoSome would argue that a Socialist state cannot be realized through the currently established democratic processes, even with majority popular support. Wealth has simply far too much influence. However there is still the good old general strike.
- merpnderp 7y agoSocialist states can't be realized through democracy because it's almost impossible to get the majority of people to vote away their agency and embrace suicide.
- disintegore 7y agoThe onus is therefore on us to convince them that "voting away their agency and embracing suicide" is red scare nonsense, and to show them who perpetuates those myths and why. American socialists have been making amazing progress in that regard, as of late.
- merpnderp 7y agoIt was only a few years ago that all the major thought leaders were promoting Venezuela as the epitome of modern socialism. Now, like every other example of socialism, we're being told it isn't "real" socialism. The data is in, when the state (in the name of the people) controls the means of production, lots of people die, votes don't count, and Cuban mercenaries will be brought in to quell the dissent.