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People who spout this nonsense don't recall how bad IE was. Comparing the current state of any browser to IE (6-7-8) is utter nonsense. There is a really good

People who spout this nonsense don't recall how bad IE was. Comparing the current state of any browser to IE (6-7-8) is utter nonsense. There is a really good center of the road set of web browser features which all modern browsers support. This was not the case when IE was big, in order to make nice, functional web pages you needed to either give up supporting one platform or the other or you needed to spend tons of time and energy making 2 (or 3) pathways for extremely basic features. If one browser is 1 year or two behind standards generally doesn't matter because as web developers we need to support 3-4+ year old browsers regardless. The truly crappy thing about IE was that Microsoft had zero commitment to web standards at all and many things they did outright contradicted them. Since IE had such massive market presence they undermined the standards process for more than a decade.

mtarnovan 7y ago
I think you're missing the point. We're not comparing Safari with IE6 -- that would be absurd, we're just saying Safari compares to it's peers (Chrome, Firefox, heck, even Edge) like IE6 used to compare to the other browsers back in the day: stuff would mostly work on everything else but always needed special attention/polyfills/workarounds for IE. On the project I currently work on the codebase is _littered_ with workarounds and hacks to get stuff to work on Safari.
- ogre_codes 7y ago
  > we're just saying Safari compares to it's peers (Chrome, Firefox, heck, even Edge) like IE6 used to compare to the other browsers back in the day < Again, this is nonsense. There is a gap, but it's not bending the shape of the web or costing the average developer hundreds of hours to work around bullshit. Safari is behind on some features... no doubt at all. But to compare that to IE 6 is just wrong.
  - pier25 7y ago
    > it's not bending the shape of the web Safari for iOS (and Apple in general) is bending the shape of the web. For example the poor support for PWAs.
    - leadingthenet 7y ago
      I think that's intentional on Apple's part, though.

mtarnovan 7y ago

I think you're missing the point. We're not comparing Safari with IE6 -- that would be absurd, we're just saying Safari compares to it's peers (Chrome, Firefox, heck, even Edge) like IE6 used to compare to the other browsers back in the day: stuff would mostly work on everything else but always needed special attention/polyfills/workarounds for IE. On the project I currently work on the codebase is _littered_ with workarounds and hacks to get stuff to work on Safari.

ogre_codes 7y ago
> we're just saying Safari compares to it's peers (Chrome, Firefox, heck, even Edge) like IE6 used to compare to the other browsers back in the day < Again, this is nonsense. There is a gap, but it's not bending the shape of the web or costing the average developer hundreds of hours to work around bullshit. Safari is behind on some features... no doubt at all. But to compare that to IE 6 is just wrong.
- pier25 7y ago
  > it's not bending the shape of the web Safari for iOS (and Apple in general) is bending the shape of the web. For example the poor support for PWAs.
  - leadingthenet 7y ago
    I think that's intentional on Apple's part, though.