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> Not Epic’s fault. You can thank the tech industry for figuring out how to put ads on everything, I don’t see how this is Epic’s fault. Don’t shoot the messeng

> Not Epic’s fault. You can thank the tech industry for figuring out how to put ads on everything, I don’t see how this is Epic’s fault. Don’t shoot the messenger when your problem is with online ads. That's fair. > Again, Epic didn’t make those kids shitty. When I was a kid, it was all who had which Pokémon cards, the fact that the goods are digital now doesn’t make a difference. That behavior existed when I was a kid. I mean, Epic didn't make kids shitty, that's true. But they did explicitly create a situation where the ability to express yourself in their social space requires financial investment. Don't tell me that wasn't intentional.

magashna 7y ago
> a situation where the ability to express yourself in their social space requires financial investment Thankfully adults don't judge each other by the cars they drive, the clothes they wear, etc. /s
- FussyZeus 7y ago
  But adults have money. Children do not, usually anyway. They either work chores or more likely, beg their parents, who may not be in a position to spend that money, and if their kids are playing free games, I'd say the likelihood is they aren't. Selling crap to kids by way of their parents wallets is a time honored tradition in our society. Epic knew what they were doing. All the games like Fortnite do.
  - magashna 7y ago
    It's always been like this. Once it was Pokemon cards and a Gameboy, now it's a Fortnite emote.
    - FussyZeus 7y ago
      That doesn't make it less gross.
    - potta_coffee 7y ago
      Pokemon cards and Gameboy are more direct. Nintendo never gave away crippled gameboys for free, with an option to unlock features incrementally.
      - magashna 7y ago
        You don't remember all the gameboy accessories? The lighted screen especially was incredible back when a backlight wasn't built in. I was jealous of the kid who had the light, the printer, and tons of games. If you think the kids who didn't have gameboys at all didn't get bullied because they weren't in the ecosystem, you'd be gravely mistaken.
      - lliamander 7y ago
        True with the Gameboy, less so with the Pokemon cards. When you buy a pack, you're essentially pulling a slot machine lever. You hope to get one of those super rare cards (e.g. holographic Charizard). Even if you weren't into collecting, it was difficult/more expensive to just buy the cards you needed for a good deck. You'd have to keep buying packs until you were able to build a deck you were happy with. Probably the only thing that's changed is the immediacy and the scale: both of purchasing and of the social effects that come from the purchase.
      - deleted 7y ago
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      - ronyeh 7y ago
        I wish Nintendo gave away free to play Gameboys where you had to pay to get extra skins. I would have been happy to play Tetris with my default skin while all my friends with wealthier parents had custom levels and Tetris emotes.
save_ferris 7y ago
> I mean, Epic didn't make kids shitty, that's true. But they did explicitly create a situation where the ability to express yourself in their social space requires financial investment. Don't tell me that wasn't intentional. Don't hate the player, hate the game. They built a game and tried to make it as popular as possible, and succeeded. We should be upset that a capitalist entity requires money to participate? The craziest part about that argument is that the game is completely free to play. Are you saying that Epic built FN and monetized it specifically for kids to bully each other?
MattRix 7y ago
You are wrong, Epic has given away skins for free in the past, including letting people get an entire battle pass for free just by completing a bunch of in game challenges. You don't need to pay to stop being a "default".

magashna 7y ago

> a situation where the ability to express yourself in their social space requires financial investment Thankfully adults don't judge each other by the cars they drive, the clothes they wear, etc. /s

FussyZeus 7y ago
But adults have money. Children do not, usually anyway. They either work chores or more likely, beg their parents, who may not be in a position to spend that money, and if their kids are playing free games, I'd say the likelihood is they aren't. Selling crap to kids by way of their parents wallets is a time honored tradition in our society. Epic knew what they were doing. All the games like Fortnite do.
- magashna 7y ago
  It's always been like this. Once it was Pokemon cards and a Gameboy, now it's a Fortnite emote.
  - FussyZeus 7y ago
    That doesn't make it less gross.
  - potta_coffee 7y ago
    Pokemon cards and Gameboy are more direct. Nintendo never gave away crippled gameboys for free, with an option to unlock features incrementally.
    - magashna 7y ago
      You don't remember all the gameboy accessories? The lighted screen especially was incredible back when a backlight wasn't built in. I was jealous of the kid who had the light, the printer, and tons of games. If you think the kids who didn't have gameboys at all didn't get bullied because they weren't in the ecosystem, you'd be gravely mistaken.
    - lliamander 7y ago
      True with the Gameboy, less so with the Pokemon cards. When you buy a pack, you're essentially pulling a slot machine lever. You hope to get one of those super rare cards (e.g. holographic Charizard). Even if you weren't into collecting, it was difficult/more expensive to just buy the cards you needed for a good deck. You'd have to keep buying packs until you were able to build a deck you were happy with. Probably the only thing that's changed is the immediacy and the scale: both of purchasing and of the social effects that come from the purchase.
    - deleted 7y ago
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    - ronyeh 7y ago
      I wish Nintendo gave away free to play Gameboys where you had to pay to get extra skins. I would have been happy to play Tetris with my default skin while all my friends with wealthier parents had custom levels and Tetris emotes.

save_ferris 7y ago

> I mean, Epic didn't make kids shitty, that's true. But they did explicitly create a situation where the ability to express yourself in their social space requires financial investment. Don't tell me that wasn't intentional. Don't hate the player, hate the game. They built a game and tried to make it as popular as possible, and succeeded. We should be upset that a capitalist entity requires money to participate? The craziest part about that argument is that the game is completely free to play. Are you saying that Epic built FN and monetized it specifically for kids to bully each other?

MattRix 7y ago

You are wrong, Epic has given away skins for free in the past, including letting people get an entire battle pass for free just by completing a bunch of in game challenges. You don't need to pay to stop being a "default".