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I am always surprised at how much hate and disdain I feel when I tell people I enjoy Fortnite. This comes both from people who play a lot of video games, and fr

I am always surprised at how much hate and disdain I feel when I tell people I enjoy Fortnite. This comes both from people who play a lot of video games, and from those who don't play at all. Somehow, it's become "cool", or maybe even the "default", to hate on Fortnite.

AceJohnny2 7y ago
It's always cool to hate on the biggest player in the field.
me_me_me 7y ago
I think I can see a pattern: I am always surprised at how much hate and disdain I feel when I tell people I enjoy Comic Sans MS. This comes both from people who type a lot, and from those who don't type at all. Somehow, it's become "cool", or maybe even the "default", to hate on Comic Sans MS.
- thrownblown 7y ago
  I code in a mono spaced comic sans
cydonian_monk 7y ago
It's the usual refrain: "How dare you like this [popular thing] I've never done and have no interest in." Usually followed by: "People like you are the reason [other thing] is gone." I'm not sure it's tribalism that causes folks to respond this way, per se, but it has some elements of it. I suspect all hobbies and pursuits in life deal with such negative reactions - it's certainly a thing in all the hobbies I've had. (Who knew model railroading was such a warzone?) Best thing a person can do is shrug and move on from the haters. Be glad you found something you enjoy that doesn't involve tearing other people down.
magashna 7y ago
Having never played it, I love Fortnite, Minecraft, CoD, etc. It keeps all the little kids out of games I actually enjoy.
- sushid 7y ago
  This I never understood. Why does it matter if kids are playing the games you enjoy?
  - thatguy0900 7y ago
    It can be very obnoxious having a child on your team who doesn't care about working together. They also have a tendency to have to abandon games at random times, when I played destiny there were raids that could take a few hours, especially with people inexperienced with that raid, and my group decided to stop taking kids because pretty often they would get called off by mom and you'd have to start the whole process over again.
Karunamon 7y ago
I've probably been guilty of that on more than one occasion and can explain 2.5 reasons why. 1) Battle royales suck. The entire genre. I grew up on arena shooters - your Quakes, your Unreal Tournaments, and so on. Getting booted all the way back out to the lobby to go through deployment again because of a single death isn't fun. It's making me replay the most boring aspect of the game. Call me when there's a popular one of these which has multiple lives or some other mechanic that ensures a single mistake doesn't result in ~5 minutes of being unable to play the game. I don't have the time or the patience for this. 2) Fortnite's success killed two games I was really interested in - Paragon, a gorgeous third person MOBA, and a reboot of Unreal Tournament. Those first two are very concrete and have nothing to do with tribalism. The last one is a bit murkier: 2.5) Fortnite seems to be aggressively marketed towards children, which means its players are probably disproportionately children. Minecraft had this problem too, but it had a single player mode and private servers which allowed you to sidestep it. That one probably carries the whiff of "kids these days", but when you consider that the game is going to be designed to cater to the average player...
- lftl 7y ago
  > Call me when there's a popular one of these which has multiple lives or some other mechanic that ensures a single mistake doesn't result in ~5 minutes of being unable to play the game. I don't have the time or the patience for this. Fortnite has numerous other game modes than solo BR where this would be the case. At it's most basic level you can play duos, trios or squads where you are "knocked" but can be revived by a teammate, or "rebooted" if you get knocked and eliminated. There are even more varied game modes that are even more arena-like: 50v50s where you immediately respawn with the same loot for example. I have no stats but I'd guess that these alternate modes are more popular than the main BR modes.
- windsurfer 7y ago
  In response to your 1) may I recommend Counter Strike's Danger Zone mode? It has multiple respawns as long as your partner is still alive, and you can respawn anywhere you want on the map.
- magashna 7y ago
bobloblaw45 7y ago
I waited anxiously for Fortnite since it was first teased in 2011. I was hyped in 2017 when it finally released. Paid full price which I almost never do but I waited so long for it. It was fun until you hit what felt like a brick wall in progression. If I recall it got super grindy really quick. People hated it but the company got lucky by saving it by adding BR mode. Things quickly started to become free and the game is a completely different game than what I bought. For me it's not that I hate people that play it. It's sort of like waiting in a long line to go to an amusement park you've been dying to go to. You pay to get in and it's terrible. Then they immediately open the gates and let everyone for free and change it to a water park. I'm just annoyed by the entire experience.
- vwuon 7y ago
  I'm pretty sure everybody knows Fortnite by its BR mode, so this only applies to you and a handful of other people.
laumars 7y ago
I'm a big fan of some FPSs but mostly the arena type ones. Quake, UT, CS. I'm not fussed if it's team based, CTP or whatever but it has to be something with a level playing field (by that I mean everyone has access to the same weapons, etc) and respawns. Needless to say, I couldn't get into Fortnite. For when I want a long term profile, weapons that carry over between raids etc, then I'd invest that time into an RPG. edit: it's worth adding that I have no issue with unique avatars in FPS. I just don't think it's fair being spawned 5 meters from someone with a customised minigun when the best pick up you can get on that level is a handgun.
- MasterScrat 7y ago
  > By that I mean Fortnite is something which long term players will have better weapons etc - often purchased. There is no such thing in Fortnite.
  - laumars 7y ago
    Maybe I was just hopelessly bad at it then. Or played a few terrible maps? I didn't give Fortnite an extensive play (primarily because I didn't enjoy the few games I did play) but it definitely didn't have the same feel as the kind of FPSs I normally play -- games that I'm normally pretty good at too.
    - colsw 7y ago
      fortnite (and all other battle royale games) drop every player in with nothing or almost nothing, it's purely random which weapons you find after arriving, although this can be influenced by learning where weapons are likely to be, and how to check multiple spots the fastest to increase your chances of getting them. I don't like fortnite at all though, everything feels exceptionally random (bullet spread, damage, weapons, kill zone, you name it, it's got a couple RNG calls), the build mechanic feels more like a crutch for not knowing how to play around cover unless you really put effort into learning it, and even then it's basically "build 3 walls quickly" or "destroy a wall to shoot through it" type "skill". It just never grabbed me, I played a few casual rounds and did reasonably well (top 5-10 twice in my first 5 games, with a few kills at least on average, no wins or top 3s though) but it felt like I got lucky, either catching enemies out and getting their good guns, or killing people who could barely aim, then dying to someone sitting in a shelter on a cliff with a one-shot kill sniper that they picked up at the beginning of the game. If I want the BR experience I'll play Apex, if I want a wacky kids game where you can only "heavily influence" what essentially feels like a ball of randomness, I'll play Mario Party.

AceJohnny2 7y ago

It's always cool to hate on the biggest player in the field.

me_me_me 7y ago

I think I can see a pattern: I am always surprised at how much hate and disdain I feel when I tell people I enjoy Comic Sans MS. This comes both from people who type a lot, and from those who don't type at all. Somehow, it's become "cool", or maybe even the "default", to hate on Comic Sans MS.

thrownblown 7y ago
I code in a mono spaced comic sans

cydonian_monk 7y ago

It's the usual refrain: "How dare you like this [popular thing] I've never done and have no interest in." Usually followed by: "People like you are the reason [other thing] is gone." I'm not sure it's tribalism that causes folks to respond this way, per se, but it has some elements of it. I suspect all hobbies and pursuits in life deal with such negative reactions - it's certainly a thing in all the hobbies I've had. (Who knew model railroading was such a warzone?) Best thing a person can do is shrug and move on from the haters. Be glad you found something you enjoy that doesn't involve tearing other people down.

magashna 7y ago

Having never played it, I love Fortnite, Minecraft, CoD, etc. It keeps all the little kids out of games I actually enjoy.

sushid 7y ago
This I never understood. Why does it matter if kids are playing the games you enjoy?
- thatguy0900 7y ago
  It can be very obnoxious having a child on your team who doesn't care about working together. They also have a tendency to have to abandon games at random times, when I played destiny there were raids that could take a few hours, especially with people inexperienced with that raid, and my group decided to stop taking kids because pretty often they would get called off by mom and you'd have to start the whole process over again.

Karunamon 7y ago

I've probably been guilty of that on more than one occasion and can explain 2.5 reasons why. 1) Battle royales suck. The entire genre. I grew up on arena shooters - your Quakes, your Unreal Tournaments, and so on. Getting booted all the way back out to the lobby to go through deployment again because of a single death isn't fun. It's making me replay the most boring aspect of the game. Call me when there's a popular one of these which has multiple lives or some other mechanic that ensures a single mistake doesn't result in ~5 minutes of being unable to play the game. I don't have the time or the patience for this. 2) Fortnite's success killed two games I was really interested in - Paragon, a gorgeous third person MOBA, and a reboot of Unreal Tournament. Those first two are very concrete and have nothing to do with tribalism. The last one is a bit murkier: 2.5) Fortnite seems to be aggressively marketed towards children, which means its players are probably disproportionately children. Minecraft had this problem too, but it had a single player mode and private servers which allowed you to sidestep it. That one probably carries the whiff of "kids these days", but when you consider that the game is going to be designed to cater to the average player...

lftl 7y ago
> Call me when there's a popular one of these which has multiple lives or some other mechanic that ensures a single mistake doesn't result in ~5 minutes of being unable to play the game. I don't have the time or the patience for this. Fortnite has numerous other game modes than solo BR where this would be the case. At it's most basic level you can play duos, trios or squads where you are "knocked" but can be revived by a teammate, or "rebooted" if you get knocked and eliminated. There are even more varied game modes that are even more arena-like: 50v50s where you immediately respawn with the same loot for example. I have no stats but I'd guess that these alternate modes are more popular than the main BR modes.
windsurfer 7y ago
In response to your 1) may I recommend Counter Strike's Danger Zone mode? It has multiple respawns as long as your partner is still alive, and you can respawn anywhere you want on the map.
magashna 7y ago

bobloblaw45 7y ago

I waited anxiously for Fortnite since it was first teased in 2011. I was hyped in 2017 when it finally released. Paid full price which I almost never do but I waited so long for it. It was fun until you hit what felt like a brick wall in progression. If I recall it got super grindy really quick. People hated it but the company got lucky by saving it by adding BR mode. Things quickly started to become free and the game is a completely different game than what I bought. For me it's not that I hate people that play it. It's sort of like waiting in a long line to go to an amusement park you've been dying to go to. You pay to get in and it's terrible. Then they immediately open the gates and let everyone for free and change it to a water park. I'm just annoyed by the entire experience.

vwuon 7y ago
I'm pretty sure everybody knows Fortnite by its BR mode, so this only applies to you and a handful of other people.

laumars 7y ago

I'm a big fan of some FPSs but mostly the arena type ones. Quake, UT, CS. I'm not fussed if it's team based, CTP or whatever but it has to be something with a level playing field (by that I mean everyone has access to the same weapons, etc) and respawns. Needless to say, I couldn't get into Fortnite. For when I want a long term profile, weapons that carry over between raids etc, then I'd invest that time into an RPG. edit: it's worth adding that I have no issue with unique avatars in FPS. I just don't think it's fair being spawned 5 meters from someone with a customised minigun when the best pick up you can get on that level is a handgun.

MasterScrat 7y ago
> By that I mean Fortnite is something which long term players will have better weapons etc - often purchased. There is no such thing in Fortnite.
- laumars 7y ago
  Maybe I was just hopelessly bad at it then. Or played a few terrible maps? I didn't give Fortnite an extensive play (primarily because I didn't enjoy the few games I did play) but it definitely didn't have the same feel as the kind of FPSs I normally play -- games that I'm normally pretty good at too.
  - colsw 7y ago
    fortnite (and all other battle royale games) drop every player in with nothing or almost nothing, it's purely random which weapons you find after arriving, although this can be influenced by learning where weapons are likely to be, and how to check multiple spots the fastest to increase your chances of getting them. I don't like fortnite at all though, everything feels exceptionally random (bullet spread, damage, weapons, kill zone, you name it, it's got a couple RNG calls), the build mechanic feels more like a crutch for not knowing how to play around cover unless you really put effort into learning it, and even then it's basically "build 3 walls quickly" or "destroy a wall to shoot through it" type "skill". It just never grabbed me, I played a few casual rounds and did reasonably well (top 5-10 twice in my first 5 games, with a few kills at least on average, no wins or top 3s though) but it felt like I got lucky, either catching enemies out and getting their good guns, or killing people who could barely aim, then dying to someone sitting in a shelter on a cliff with a one-shot kill sniper that they picked up at the beginning of the game. If I want the BR experience I'll play Apex, if I want a wacky kids game where you can only "heavily influence" what essentially feels like a ball of randomness, I'll play Mario Party.