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You're going to have a startup that doesn't demand life-consuming overtime? I find that hard to believe.

treyfitty 7y ago
I know plenty of non unicorn startup founders that don’t work overtime, and they net about $1Mm per year. Sure, not a path to billionaire status, but not too shabby either.
- bernierocks 7y ago
  That doesn't sound like a startup. It sounds like they are running a lifestyle business, which isn't a bad thing. Startups, by definition, try to scale up quickly..which means lots of money (investors) and lots of time (overtime and long hours).
  - riffraff 7y ago
    I don't understand this point of view. Developers generally agree that it's better to spend some time writing tests, as even if it increases our latency in the small term, it will improve output it in the long term. Yet, we also seem to think that it's totally fine to sacrifice mental and physical being for the sake of short term gains instead of long term ones? I am not saying one should not do the occasional push, but surely as a founder it's better to work 40 hours a week and keep yourself sane, than push yourself into burn out after 1 year of 70h/week and no holidays?
  - hervature 7y ago
    Show me a definition of startup from a reputable source that claims that scaling up quickly is a requirement. All companies start off by being a startup [0] [0] - https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/startup.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/startup.asp
kbenson 7y ago
Not everyone thinks of the same thing when they think startup. I think the main difference is that some people also include starting a lifestyle business, or a business that's much less ambitious in scope than being a globally known name. There's nothing wrong with a business that employs less than 20 people, and nothing that necessarily means it has to grow.
mikestew 7y ago
I find that hard to believe. Only because you've surrounded yourself with people that don't know any other way to do it. Find more creative people to hang out with.
- metalliqaz 7y ago
  So... stop hanging around ycombinator? no u

I know plenty of non unicorn startup founders that don’t work overtime, and they net about $1Mm per year. Sure, not a path to billionaire status, but not too shabby either.

bernierocks 7y ago
That doesn't sound like a startup. It sounds like they are running a lifestyle business, which isn't a bad thing. Startups, by definition, try to scale up quickly..which means lots of money (investors) and lots of time (overtime and long hours).
- riffraff 7y ago
  I don't understand this point of view. Developers generally agree that it's better to spend some time writing tests, as even if it increases our latency in the small term, it will improve output it in the long term. Yet, we also seem to think that it's totally fine to sacrifice mental and physical being for the sake of short term gains instead of long term ones? I am not saying one should not do the occasional push, but surely as a founder it's better to work 40 hours a week and keep yourself sane, than push yourself into burn out after 1 year of 70h/week and no holidays?
- hervature 7y ago
  Show me a definition of startup from a reputable source that claims that scaling up quickly is a requirement. All companies start off by being a startup [0] [0] - https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/startup.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/startup.asp

kbenson 7y ago

Not everyone thinks of the same thing when they think startup. I think the main difference is that some people also include starting a lifestyle business, or a business that's much less ambitious in scope than being a globally known name. There's nothing wrong with a business that employs less than 20 people, and nothing that necessarily means it has to grow.

mikestew 7y ago

I find that hard to believe. Only because you've surrounded yourself with people that don't know any other way to do it. Find more creative people to hang out with.

metalliqaz 7y ago
So... stop hanging around ycombinator? no u