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> But Uber is offering a service that by its very nature requires that you expose the service provider to information you may wish to keep private. Uber's ride

by ysavir 7y ago

> But Uber is offering a service that by its very nature requires that you expose the service provider to information you may wish to keep private. Uber's ride hailing service, sure. But the same is not true for the scooter and bike services, which have no need for such information.

aeorgnoieang 7y ago
Huh? They have to know where the scooters and bikes are so they can be collected to be recharged.
- icebraining 7y ago
  And also to be rented, if the user doesn't happen to have one in sight.
- ysavir 7y ago
  Do they need to know where they are at every given moment, and collect data on each customer in association with where they're coming from and where they're going? No, they just need to know where they are when: 1. They run a collection routine 2. The bike/scooter is low on battery. There is no info they need in association with the rider's trip. Or at least not, as the GP states, info required "by nature". That perspective is true of ride sharing (the driver needs to know where to pick up and drop off) but false in relation to bikes/scooters (no need to know start/end points, just need to know where the bike is during collection or low battery, and not in association with a rider).
  - ameister14 7y ago
    The rider uses an app to find a bike/scooter near them. That requires real-time location data
- jobigoud 7y ago
  They need to know where the scooters are but they don't really need to know where the customers are though. Consider a similar system that would work with coin operated scooters. They can have GPS in the vehicle without constant association with users. In any cases these two tracking databases, where is each scooter and who is on which scooter, should be separate so they can provide the former to law enforcement without disclosing citizens whereabouts.
TulliusCicero 7y ago
How are they going to display the bikes and scooters on a map inside of the app without GPS coordinates?

by ysavir 7y ago

aeorgnoieang 7y ago

Huh? They have to know where the scooters and bikes are so they can be collected to be recharged.

icebraining 7y ago
And also to be rented, if the user doesn't happen to have one in sight.
ysavir 7y ago
Do they need to know where they are at every given moment, and collect data on each customer in association with where they're coming from and where they're going? No, they just need to know where they are when: 1. They run a collection routine 2. The bike/scooter is low on battery. There is no info they need in association with the rider's trip. Or at least not, as the GP states, info required "by nature". That perspective is true of ride sharing (the driver needs to know where to pick up and drop off) but false in relation to bikes/scooters (no need to know start/end points, just need to know where the bike is during collection or low battery, and not in association with a rider).
- ameister14 7y ago
  The rider uses an app to find a bike/scooter near them. That requires real-time location data
jobigoud 7y ago
They need to know where the scooters are but they don't really need to know where the customers are though. Consider a similar system that would work with coin operated scooters. They can have GPS in the vehicle without constant association with users. In any cases these two tracking databases, where is each scooter and who is on which scooter, should be separate so they can provide the former to law enforcement without disclosing citizens whereabouts.

TulliusCicero 7y ago

How are they going to display the bikes and scooters on a map inside of the app without GPS coordinates?