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The fact that you’re in one of these countries makes you easy to access by enemies on the global scale. Assuming the individuals are good, that doesn’t mean the

by nscalf 7y ago

The fact that you’re in one of these countries makes you easy to access by enemies on the global scale. Assuming the individuals are good, that doesn’t mean they’re not a security risk. The reality is, countries like Russia and China do not respect intellectual property, and are know to perform cyber espionage and attacks. This seems very reasonable to me. Furthermore, the whole point of anti-discrimination laws are to prevent judgement based off traits that cannot be changed. Where you live is not the same thing as your skin color. Imagine if someone refused to change their password and only used 6 characters for it. It’s a security protocol to force a change there. I’m viewing thing more similar to that than similar to racial discrimination, given that gitlab is not saying they won’t hire Russians widely.

EugeneOZ 7y ago
It's much more easy to just buy some data than torture somebody. Or you think engineers from US, UK or any other country can't be bought? :)
- nscalf 7y ago
  I agree with that, but I was thinking more along the lines of bugging your home, tracing your internet traffic through ISPs, etc.
el_cujo 7y ago
>Furthermore, the whole point of anti-discrimination laws are to prevent judgement based off traits that cannot be changed. Where you live is not the same thing as your skin color. This is very true. People are getting very caught up on discrimination without taking into account all of the "acceptable" forms that happen all the time. If you're a violent felon, you are likely going to be discriminated against when looking for a job in child-care. Yeah, this is an extreme example, but it's a form of job discrimination most people see as reasonable. Like-wise, people are discriminated against all the time in jobs for things like lack of qualification or lack of relevant degrees, etc., and again most see this kind of discrimination as reasonable. The kinds of discrimination that aren't reasonable are things like no hiring somebody because of their race because there isn't any reasonable connection between that fact and their ability to do job. The question here isn't whether it is discrimination to not hire those who live in Russia or China, the question is if the underlying premise that those people are more of a data liability than other people. I haven't read the entire thread, but so far I haven't really seen much discussion on this point, just lots of people saying the policy is outright racist (even though I believe the policy only affects people who currently live in those countries regardless of race rather than not hiring people of Chinese/Russian descent who live elsewhere).

by nscalf 7y ago

EugeneOZ 7y ago

It's much more easy to just buy some data than torture somebody. Or you think engineers from US, UK or any other country can't be bought? :)

nscalf 7y ago
I agree with that, but I was thinking more along the lines of bugging your home, tracing your internet traffic through ISPs, etc.

el_cujo 7y ago

>Furthermore, the whole point of anti-discrimination laws are to prevent judgement based off traits that cannot be changed. Where you live is not the same thing as your skin color. This is very true. People are getting very caught up on discrimination without taking into account all of the "acceptable" forms that happen all the time. If you're a violent felon, you are likely going to be discriminated against when looking for a job in child-care. Yeah, this is an extreme example, but it's a form of job discrimination most people see as reasonable. Like-wise, people are discriminated against all the time in jobs for things like lack of qualification or lack of relevant degrees, etc., and again most see this kind of discrimination as reasonable. The kinds of discrimination that aren't reasonable are things like no hiring somebody because of their race because there isn't any reasonable connection between that fact and their ability to do job. The question here isn't whether it is discrimination to not hire those who live in Russia or China, the question is if the underlying premise that those people are more of a data liability than other people. I haven't read the entire thread, but so far I haven't really seen much discussion on this point, just lots of people saying the policy is outright racist (even though I believe the policy only affects people who currently live in those countries regardless of race rather than not hiring people of Chinese/Russian descent who live elsewhere).