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> "Companies don't make decisions based on morality." So let's just label every employee with a Foreign/Chinese/Russian background as a spy, because a client s

> "Companies don't make decisions based on morality." So let's just label every employee with a Foreign/Chinese/Russian background as a spy, because a client says so?

tomp 7y ago
Why not? And Australians, they're explicitly (by law) required to be spies. And your comment suggests as much - why would opsec about consumer / sensitive data be important unless you expect your employees to act in less-than-fair manner (be that for personal gain, a competitor's gain, a national gain, ...)?
- hvindin 7y ago
  Dammit.. was hoping Australia could silently slip under the radar on this one. The thing that I suspect that most people don't understand about Australia is that the laws don't really mean shit all unless the situation gets very serious very fast. I know people who have received aa requests who have literally responded with "get fucked mate, why on earth would I do that?" and the response has (for every instance I'm aware of) been "yea, true. it was a bit of a stretch" It's rather like the Australian constitution, I'm fairly sure I've seen a joke around about it, we have one but like... no one actually cares... if shit really hits the fan I'm sure we'll all go find a copy and figure it out, but otherwise we're doing only slightly less than alright just kinda playing it by ear...
- 490d0aff0ee8 7y ago
  > "Why not? And Australians, they're explicitly (by law) required to be spies." How come we don't see Gitlab re-considering hiring Australians then? > "And your comment suggests as much - why would opsec about consumer / sensitive data be important unless you expect your employees to act in less-than-fair manner (be that for personal gain, a competitor's gain, a national gain, ...)?" The defense industry will put you through background checks, demand a security clearance, and won't hire you unless you're a citizen - whilst simultaneously employing some of the strictest security measures available today. Security will stay there long after you've stopped hiring Chinese and Russian individuals.
  - Twirrim 7y ago
    > How come we don't see Gitlab re-considering hiring Australians then? Because no company has asked them to yet. Give it time ;)
  - apocalyptic0n3 7y ago
    > How come we don't see Gitlab re-considering hiring Australians then? I can't speak to GitLab specifically, but them restricting Australian hires too has been brought up numerous times in this HN thread. Given the amount of activity on here from their team members and specifically sytse, it would seem likely that they have at least been made aware.

> "Companies don't make decisions based on morality." So let's just label every employee with a Foreign/Chinese/Russian background as a spy, because a client says so?

tomp 7y ago

Why not? And Australians, they're explicitly (by law) required to be spies. And your comment suggests as much - why would opsec about consumer / sensitive data be important unless you expect your employees to act in less-than-fair manner (be that for personal gain, a competitor's gain, a national gain, ...)?

hvindin 7y ago
Dammit.. was hoping Australia could silently slip under the radar on this one. The thing that I suspect that most people don't understand about Australia is that the laws don't really mean shit all unless the situation gets very serious very fast. I know people who have received aa requests who have literally responded with "get fucked mate, why on earth would I do that?" and the response has (for every instance I'm aware of) been "yea, true. it was a bit of a stretch" It's rather like the Australian constitution, I'm fairly sure I've seen a joke around about it, we have one but like... no one actually cares... if shit really hits the fan I'm sure we'll all go find a copy and figure it out, but otherwise we're doing only slightly less than alright just kinda playing it by ear...
490d0aff0ee8 7y ago
> "Why not? And Australians, they're explicitly (by law) required to be spies." How come we don't see Gitlab re-considering hiring Australians then? > "And your comment suggests as much - why would opsec about consumer / sensitive data be important unless you expect your employees to act in less-than-fair manner (be that for personal gain, a competitor's gain, a national gain, ...)?" The defense industry will put you through background checks, demand a security clearance, and won't hire you unless you're a citizen - whilst simultaneously employing some of the strictest security measures available today. Security will stay there long after you've stopped hiring Chinese and Russian individuals.
- Twirrim 7y ago
  > How come we don't see Gitlab re-considering hiring Australians then? Because no company has asked them to yet. Give it time ;)
- apocalyptic0n3 7y ago
  > How come we don't see Gitlab re-considering hiring Australians then? I can't speak to GitLab specifically, but them restricting Australian hires too has been brought up numerous times in this HN thread. Given the amount of activity on here from their team members and specifically sytse, it would seem likely that they have at least been made aware.