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Again, you're missing the point. On purpose, I think. Everyone doesn't live the same way. That is true. That's not the point. The point is that all gasoline-po

by Lendal 7y ago

Again, you're missing the point. On purpose, I think. Everyone doesn't live the same way. That is true. That's not the point. The point is that all gasoline-powered cars must refuel at a public pump. Some EVs will charge at home. Therefore, NOT ALL EVs require a public charging station. Your argument proves my point.

chrisseaton 7y ago
The article was 'we need to create lots of chargers' the comment was 'they aren't needed because if you're a millionaire with a driveway who drives to a tech employer with a private space with a charger every day you're fine'. That's what I'm saying isn't helpful for most people. Most people park on the street and take public transport to work and have no opportunity to charge. So we need the chargers. I'm sure it's fine for you - it's not for most people.
- Lendal 7y ago
  It depends on where these chargers are located. Areas where people own cars and park those cars on the street, that's where they're needed. They aren't needed in suburbs where people can plug them into their own homes. They're also not needed in areas where people don't own cars. I guess I inadvertently started a culture war where people without cars and driveways are really touchy and go on attack. Sorry about that.
  - chrisseaton 7y ago
    I do have a car and a driveway but I know others aren't as fortunate as myself and they need these chargers.
    - natch 7y ago
      Yes more public chargers will be great to have. But as an apartment dweller with a Tesla and no charger, I can tell you that solutions can be found in some cases.
  - natch 7y ago
    I think it's less of a culture war, and more just that people who don't know about the convenience of solutions like superchargers and free at-work charging get triggered when someone suggests that everyone get EVs, because they think apartment dwellers are being left out. Setting aside those who can't even buy cars, and those who have very limited income or job options, some apartment dwellers can make it work pretty easily. Sadly some people who could purchase EVs needlessly delay their EV purchases because they think they don't have charging solutions. I know; I was one of those people. It's just a matter of education. Once people learn about the options available (again, at-work charging and superchargers for example), this should become less contentious. But while I think that many people (not everyone) do have some solutions available, I would agree that we need to continue adding more public chargers.
- natch 7y ago
  >the comment was 'they aren't needed because if you're a millionaire with a driveway who drives to a tech employer with a private space with a charger every day you're fine'. That wasn't the comment at all. That's a wild, even ludicrous, misquote and misreading. I'm not rich. And I don't have a driveway. And my employer does not have a private space for anyone. And I don't have to charge every day. I don't know how you got any of those things from my comment. There are options for EV charging. People don't have to charge at home, should be the takeaway. Yes we need more chargers; we agree on that it seems. The number of EVs is growing and the number of chargers needs to continue increasing to match that growth. It's great that some governments are recognizing that so they can facilitate any way they can.

by Lendal 7y ago

chrisseaton 7y ago

The article was 'we need to create lots of chargers' the comment was 'they aren't needed because if you're a millionaire with a driveway who drives to a tech employer with a private space with a charger every day you're fine'. That's what I'm saying isn't helpful for most people. Most people park on the street and take public transport to work and have no opportunity to charge. So we need the chargers. I'm sure it's fine for you - it's not for most people.

Lendal 7y ago
It depends on where these chargers are located. Areas where people own cars and park those cars on the street, that's where they're needed. They aren't needed in suburbs where people can plug them into their own homes. They're also not needed in areas where people don't own cars. I guess I inadvertently started a culture war where people without cars and driveways are really touchy and go on attack. Sorry about that.
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  I do have a car and a driveway but I know others aren't as fortunate as myself and they need these chargers.
  - natch 7y ago
    Yes more public chargers will be great to have. But as an apartment dweller with a Tesla and no charger, I can tell you that solutions can be found in some cases.
- natch 7y ago
  I think it's less of a culture war, and more just that people who don't know about the convenience of solutions like superchargers and free at-work charging get triggered when someone suggests that everyone get EVs, because they think apartment dwellers are being left out. Setting aside those who can't even buy cars, and those who have very limited income or job options, some apartment dwellers can make it work pretty easily. Sadly some people who could purchase EVs needlessly delay their EV purchases because they think they don't have charging solutions. I know; I was one of those people. It's just a matter of education. Once people learn about the options available (again, at-work charging and superchargers for example), this should become less contentious. But while I think that many people (not everyone) do have some solutions available, I would agree that we need to continue adding more public chargers.
natch 7y ago
>the comment was 'they aren't needed because if you're a millionaire with a driveway who drives to a tech employer with a private space with a charger every day you're fine'. That wasn't the comment at all. That's a wild, even ludicrous, misquote and misreading. I'm not rich. And I don't have a driveway. And my employer does not have a private space for anyone. And I don't have to charge every day. I don't know how you got any of those things from my comment. There are options for EV charging. People don't have to charge at home, should be the takeaway. Yes we need more chargers; we agree on that it seems. The number of EVs is growing and the number of chargers needs to continue increasing to match that growth. It's great that some governments are recognizing that so they can facilitate any way they can.