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Since National Security Letters exist, blocking all employees from the US would also be logical. Same for running anything on third-party hardware. There needs

Since National Security Letters exist, blocking all employees from the US would also be logical. Same for running anything on third-party hardware. There needs to be a more effective response than Hari Kiri.

type0 7y ago
> Since National Security Letters exist, blocking all employees from the US would also be logical. Sure, it would be, especially for companies located in neutral countries, but since US influence is so strong everywhere almost all over the world that's also practically impossible. "Every animal is equal but some animals are more equal than others"
- angry_octet 7y ago
  We haven't seen the implementation details for Gaia-X, but it would not be unreasonable for it to include that priviledged persons (admins, company management) by EU citizens and resident in the EU, or possibly even FR/DE only. Full document below in Deutch. https://www.bmwi.de/Navigation/EN/Home/home.html https://www.bmwi.de/Navigation/EN/Home/home.html https://www.bmwi.de/Redaktion/DE/Publikationen/Digitale-Welt/das-projekt-gaia-x.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=18 https://www.bmwi.de/Redaktion/DE/Publikationen/Digitale-Welt... China and Russia obviously have their own systems, but many other countries some some element of national control which is less obvious. Japan certainly has a mature native cloud capability, although it would be highly disruptive to move everything to it. Its like plans to be 'cloud agile', it doesn't work unless you deploy to both every time, and you probably just double your cost and bugs for deployment ops. So the tendency will be towards cloud balkanization. Which could really suck, or it could force a path away from proprietary APIs towards standards, which will suck in a different way.
pnako 7y ago
It's the same in France, and many other western countries. I think it's just the usual "Australians not realizing they live in a bubble", and kindly warning the rest of the world about laws or practices that have already been in place in our countries for twenty years.
- thatfrenchguy 7y ago
  AFAIK there is no law in France where the government can force you to do something you don’t want to do related to your employment. They can however seize your devices.
- maze-le 7y ago
  That is not true. There is no such law in Germany, and the public backlash against it would be enormous. In the east we had a government that would pressure citizens to spy on each other -- any hint of that would be political suicide on all levels...
vorpalhex 7y ago
NSLs apply to companies, not employees. The NSL would have to go to your companies legal office.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  NSLs can be issued to any person, natural or juridical.
  - vorpalhex 7y ago
    NSLs only bring back non-content information (eg, a call record, but not a recording of a call) and are issued under the Stored Communications Act. Unless you happen to be the owner of a sole proprietorship that falls under the act, you can't be directly issued an NSL - it's issued to the entity which holds the records (eg AT&T).
needle0 7y ago
That's Hara kiri. If you're going to appropriate an antiquated foreign word out of context I wish you'd at least spell it properly.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  (1) it's a non-antiquated English word, etymologically linked to the antiquated foreign word (it entered English a long time ago.) (2) In English, both hari kari and hara kiri are accepted spellings (the word came into English before modern, maybe even standardized, transliteration, and the source language doesn't natively use the Latin alphabet.) (3) But, in any case, you are right that it is misspelled.
- angry_octet 7y ago
  That's the spelling in my phone's dictionary. If I were writing about ancient Japanese cultural traditions I might have checked. I think Japanese people, being inveterate word-stealers, would understand.

type0 7y ago

> Since National Security Letters exist, blocking all employees from the US would also be logical. Sure, it would be, especially for companies located in neutral countries, but since US influence is so strong everywhere almost all over the world that's also practically impossible. "Every animal is equal but some animals are more equal than others"

angry_octet 7y ago
We haven't seen the implementation details for Gaia-X, but it would not be unreasonable for it to include that priviledged persons (admins, company management) by EU citizens and resident in the EU, or possibly even FR/DE only. Full document below in Deutch. https://www.bmwi.de/Navigation/EN/Home/home.html https://www.bmwi.de/Navigation/EN/Home/home.html https://www.bmwi.de/Redaktion/DE/Publikationen/Digitale-Welt/das-projekt-gaia-x.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=18 https://www.bmwi.de/Redaktion/DE/Publikationen/Digitale-Welt... China and Russia obviously have their own systems, but many other countries some some element of national control which is less obvious. Japan certainly has a mature native cloud capability, although it would be highly disruptive to move everything to it. Its like plans to be 'cloud agile', it doesn't work unless you deploy to both every time, and you probably just double your cost and bugs for deployment ops. So the tendency will be towards cloud balkanization. Which could really suck, or it could force a path away from proprietary APIs towards standards, which will suck in a different way.

pnako 7y ago

It's the same in France, and many other western countries. I think it's just the usual "Australians not realizing they live in a bubble", and kindly warning the rest of the world about laws or practices that have already been in place in our countries for twenty years.

thatfrenchguy 7y ago
AFAIK there is no law in France where the government can force you to do something you don’t want to do related to your employment. They can however seize your devices.
maze-le 7y ago
That is not true. There is no such law in Germany, and the public backlash against it would be enormous. In the east we had a government that would pressure citizens to spy on each other -- any hint of that would be political suicide on all levels...

vorpalhex 7y ago

NSLs apply to companies, not employees. The NSL would have to go to your companies legal office.

dragonwriter 7y ago
NSLs can be issued to any person, natural or juridical.
- vorpalhex 7y ago
  NSLs only bring back non-content information (eg, a call record, but not a recording of a call) and are issued under the Stored Communications Act. Unless you happen to be the owner of a sole proprietorship that falls under the act, you can't be directly issued an NSL - it's issued to the entity which holds the records (eg AT&T).

needle0 7y ago

That's Hara kiri. If you're going to appropriate an antiquated foreign word out of context I wish you'd at least spell it properly.

dragonwriter 7y ago
(1) it's a non-antiquated English word, etymologically linked to the antiquated foreign word (it entered English a long time ago.) (2) In English, both hari kari and hara kiri are accepted spellings (the word came into English before modern, maybe even standardized, transliteration, and the source language doesn't natively use the Latin alphabet.) (3) But, in any case, you are right that it is misspelled.
angry_octet 7y ago
That's the spelling in my phone's dictionary. If I were writing about ancient Japanese cultural traditions I might have checked. I think Japanese people, being inveterate word-stealers, would understand.