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I'm a detective who actually investigates these crimes so, no, I meant exactly that what OP said is complete nonsense

arczyx 7y ago
Maybe OP was living in different country than yours? I don't think you can dismiss their statement as 'complete nonsense' before confirming what exactly are they talking about.
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BLKNSLVR 7y ago
Utmost respect for what is one of the most difficult jobs imaginable. Do you think the anti-encryption / communications surveillance would help to stop these things from happening? Are most of the crimes perpetrated by relatives of the children? If Child Services visited these people prior to an incident occurring, in what percentage of cases would there have been cause to intervene? Do you have the resources to investigate all the cases you feel worthy of investigation? What political decisions would help minimize these incidents from occurring? I want my commentary to be hand-wavey and wrong. I'd be very happy to hear that it is.
- JoeSmithson 7y ago
  The vast majority of contact offences are committed by people abusing a position of trust e.g. relative, teacher, coach etc. I don't there are grounds to intervene until they have committed at least some offending, or at the very least indicated a desire to offend e.g. in forum messages. You wouldn't even necessarily lose access to your own children even after being convicted of a CSAE offence, e.g. if you were convicted of downloading IIOC and not suspected of anything else you would probably not lose access to your own child. Surveillance in the general sense definitely stops offending from happening because it allows on-going offenders to be identified. This article is about client-side prevention of distributing known IIOC, which is more a method of preventing a crime before it happens (the crime being Distribution of IIOC, not the sexual assault/rape the imagery depicts). Loads of things "worthy of investigation" are closed off due to resourcing issues but what you said was that only cases where there is an _immediate threat to life_ are investigated which is completely false.

Maybe OP was living in different country than yours? I don't think you can dismiss their statement as 'complete nonsense' before confirming what exactly are they talking about.

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BLKNSLVR 7y ago

Utmost respect for what is one of the most difficult jobs imaginable. Do you think the anti-encryption / communications surveillance would help to stop these things from happening? Are most of the crimes perpetrated by relatives of the children? If Child Services visited these people prior to an incident occurring, in what percentage of cases would there have been cause to intervene? Do you have the resources to investigate all the cases you feel worthy of investigation? What political decisions would help minimize these incidents from occurring? I want my commentary to be hand-wavey and wrong. I'd be very happy to hear that it is.

JoeSmithson 7y ago
The vast majority of contact offences are committed by people abusing a position of trust e.g. relative, teacher, coach etc. I don't there are grounds to intervene until they have committed at least some offending, or at the very least indicated a desire to offend e.g. in forum messages. You wouldn't even necessarily lose access to your own children even after being convicted of a CSAE offence, e.g. if you were convicted of downloading IIOC and not suspected of anything else you would probably not lose access to your own child. Surveillance in the general sense definitely stops offending from happening because it allows on-going offenders to be identified. This article is about client-side prevention of distributing known IIOC, which is more a method of preventing a crime before it happens (the crime being Distribution of IIOC, not the sexual assault/rape the imagery depicts). Loads of things "worthy of investigation" are closed off due to resourcing issues but what you said was that only cases where there is an _immediate threat to life_ are investigated which is completely false.