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Imagine if Donald Trump recently started making some new claim about an event that happened decades ago. Imagine CNN dug up the only historical records that exi

by egdod 7y ago

Imagine if Donald Trump recently started making some new claim about an event that happened decades ago. Imagine CNN dug up the only historical records that exist, and they directly contradicted that claim. Would you be this credulous then?

drewbug01 7y ago
Apples and oranges. If Trump were a woman, claiming that they experienced pregnancy discrimination in the past, and the official record contradicted that ... then yes, I would believe Trump. Pregnancy discrimination, and discrimination against women in particular, has been so insidious and so pervasive for so many years, that the standard for proof has changed accordingly. Apples and oranges, covered by a veneer of intellectualism and a subtle accusation of partisan bias. It’s pretty transparent trolling to be honest.
dominicr 7y ago
This not a theoretical argument. Trump regularly makes stuff up on the fly when there are multiple records proving the opposite. The White House has to make up 'alternate facts' on a pretty much daily basis to keep up. The results are always the same: his die-hard supports believe him, and reality is altered; his opponents point it out and wonder how anyone can think he's not maniacal; and the Republican party sighs and repeats the mantra "you dance with the one that brought you".
- egdod 7y ago
  I’m not sure how that answers the point I was making.
  - elliekelly 7y ago
    The boy who cried wolf doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt that we’re willing to give to others.
Cenk 7y ago
If he claimed something happened to him that was known to be widely happening to people like him at the time, something that was the norm in business and was often recorded the way it was recorded in his case to give the people doing it deniability, then yes, I’d believe it. Of course it’s difficult to give a general answer, and it’d depend on the details of the case. Perhaps you have a specific example of where Trump was at the tail-end of systematic discrimination in the beginning of his career?

by egdod 7y ago

drewbug01 7y ago

Apples and oranges. If Trump were a woman, claiming that they experienced pregnancy discrimination in the past, and the official record contradicted that ... then yes, I would believe Trump. Pregnancy discrimination, and discrimination against women in particular, has been so insidious and so pervasive for so many years, that the standard for proof has changed accordingly. Apples and oranges, covered by a veneer of intellectualism and a subtle accusation of partisan bias. It’s pretty transparent trolling to be honest.

dominicr 7y ago

This not a theoretical argument. Trump regularly makes stuff up on the fly when there are multiple records proving the opposite. The White House has to make up 'alternate facts' on a pretty much daily basis to keep up. The results are always the same: his die-hard supports believe him, and reality is altered; his opponents point it out and wonder how anyone can think he's not maniacal; and the Republican party sighs and repeats the mantra "you dance with the one that brought you".

egdod 7y ago
I’m not sure how that answers the point I was making.
- elliekelly 7y ago
  The boy who cried wolf doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt that we’re willing to give to others.

Cenk 7y ago

If he claimed something happened to him that was known to be widely happening to people like him at the time, something that was the norm in business and was often recorded the way it was recorded in his case to give the people doing it deniability, then yes, I’d believe it. Of course it’s difficult to give a general answer, and it’d depend on the details of the case. Perhaps you have a specific example of where Trump was at the tail-end of systematic discrimination in the beginning of his career?