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It's just absurd to me that a completely preventable cancer with this vaccine is shunned by groups across this country, because of the implication. Also, a PSA

It's just absurd to me that a completely preventable cancer with this vaccine is shunned by groups across this country, because of the implication. Also, a PSA for young adults and parents of children in the age groups - the HPV vaccine is usually covered (free) with insurance if you're in the recommended age groups, regardless of sex.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
I'm mid 30s and paid the ~$750 (using my FSA) for the three doses of Gardasil 9 post FDA approval but before the CDC has finished updating their guidelines that would prompt insurance coverage. There are few reasons you shouldn't get it if you have not yet been immunized, as it pays for itself if you prevent even one case of cancer that would've occurred from HPV transmission (whether that be a case you would've experienced, or a partner experienced). Agree parents need to get over it (disclaimer: am parent, kids getting HPV vaccination as soon as they're old enough). Your kids are eventually going to have sex. BFD. Protect them from possible future harm with a cheap vaccine.
- a2tech 7y ago
  Ouch, thats pricey. I guess there's a price for being an early adopter. I work with one of researchers that was involved in developing the HPV vaccine and even I didn't realize it was so pricey.
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  - radicalbyte 7y ago
    It's dirt cheap if you're pretty sexually active. My kids are 100% going to get it along with any other vaccine which is available and effective. Some vaccines just half the risk of infection so need high coverage in the population.
    - journalctl 7y ago
      It’s certainly cheaper than cancer, although as always it’s a pity people have to pay out of pocket for it.
  - epmaybe 7y ago
    completely covered by insurance if within the CDC guidelines for recommended age groups (around 11-21 for both males and females, but double check first!)
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      Yes! Get it (or get it for your kids) while you're covered!
- blahblahblogger 7y ago
  Hmm I was also told that I didn't need to bother getting this done b/c I'm in my mid-30s. But I haven't been that sexually active in my life :( so I know the stat about most ppl having some form of HPV but it may not apply to me. Do you have to get it earlier in life?
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    Ideally, you get the vaccine before you're sexually active, as it won't inoculate you against strains of the virus you have already been infected with [1]. I recommend it to everyone who will listen. Cheap risk mitigation (comparatively speaking). Australia made it compulsory, and they will have eliminated cervical cancer in a few decades because of it [2] (and my hunch is that gene therapy will pick up the remainder until then [3]). It's literally a vaccine that prevents cancer [4]. Who says no to that? [1] https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/by_the_way_doctor_should_i_get_the_hpv_vaccine_if_im_already_infected https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/by_th... (Harvard Women's Health Watch | By the way, doctor: Should I get the HPV vaccine if I'm already infected?) [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/03/world/australia/cervical-cancer-hpv-vaccine.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/03/world/australia/cervical-... (In Australia, Cervical Cancer Could Soon Be Eliminated) [3] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-09/cervical-cancer-cure-research-gene-technology-qld/11583158 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-09/cervical-cancer-cure-... (Cervical cancer 'cure' closer with gene-editing breakthrough, scientists say) [4] https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2019/p0822-cancer-prevented-vaccine.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2019/p0822-cancer-prevent... (An Estimated 92% of Cancers Caused by HPV Could be Prevented by Vaccine)
    - masonic 7y ago
      they will have eliminated cervical cancer in a few decades False. Not all cervical cancers are caused by HPV.
      - toomuchtodo 7y ago
        https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667%2818%2930183-X/fulltext#%20 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2... "In 2007, Australia was one of the first countries to introduce a national human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccination programme, and it has since achieved high vaccination coverage across both sexes. In December, 2017, organised cervical screening in Australia transitioned from cytology-based screening every 2 years for women aged from 18–20 years to 69 years, to primary HPV testing every 5 years for women aged 25–69 years and exit testing for women aged 70–74 years. We aimed to identify the earliest years in which the annual age-standardised incidence of cervical cancer in Australia (which is currently seven cases per 100 000 women) could decrease below two annual thresholds that could be considered to be potential elimination thresholds: a rare cancer threshold (six new cases per 100 000 women) or a lower threshold (four new cases per 100 000 women), since Australia is likely to be one of the first countries to reach these benchmarks."
- m0zg 7y ago
  Wouldn't you already be almost certainly infected by mid-30s? Does it work if you're already carrying the virus?
  - technofiend 7y ago
    There are multiple strains of the virus. Even if infected with one wouldn't you like protection against the rest, particularly as Gardasil 9 is the vaccine you'll get in the US and covers the most strains? https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/infectious-agents/hpv-vaccine-fact-sheet https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/i... From the link above: Three vaccines that prevent infection with disease-causing HPV types are licensed for use in the United States: Gardasil®, Gardasil® 9, and Cervarix®. All three vaccines prevent infection with HPV types 16 and 18, two high-risk HPVs that cause about 70% of cervical cancers and an even higher percentage of some of the other HPV-caused cancers (1, 2). Gardasil also prevents infection with HPV types 6 and 11, which cause 90% of genital warts (3). Gardasil 9 prevents infection with the same four HPV types plus five additional cancer-causing types (31, 33, 45, 52, and 58) that together account for 10 to 20% of cervical cancers. Gardasil 9 is now the only HPV vaccine available for use in the United States. Cervarix and Gardasil are still used in other countries.
  - vo2maxer 7y ago
    At a minimum, it may augment “both the magnitude and quality of natural immunity” in sexually active persons. [1] [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5006801/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5006801/
    - m0zg 7y ago
      Good to know. Will ask my physician about getting it then.
    - masonic 7y ago
      Out of a grand total of five subjects, two showed a response. Not much of a study.
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- epmaybe 7y ago
  Cdc guidelines don't include your age group so it's doubtful that insurance would cover it even today.. And it's not even that they're going to eventually have seen as kids, what if you get married and want to have kids? You don't know your partner's sexual history.
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toomuchtodo 7y ago

I'm mid 30s and paid the ~$750 (using my FSA) for the three doses of Gardasil 9 post FDA approval but before the CDC has finished updating their guidelines that would prompt insurance coverage. There are few reasons you shouldn't get it if you have not yet been immunized, as it pays for itself if you prevent even one case of cancer that would've occurred from HPV transmission (whether that be a case you would've experienced, or a partner experienced). Agree parents need to get over it (disclaimer: am parent, kids getting HPV vaccination as soon as they're old enough). Your kids are eventually going to have sex. BFD. Protect them from possible future harm with a cheap vaccine.

a2tech 7y ago
Ouch, thats pricey. I guess there's a price for being an early adopter. I work with one of researchers that was involved in developing the HPV vaccine and even I didn't realize it was so pricey.
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- radicalbyte 7y ago
  It's dirt cheap if you're pretty sexually active. My kids are 100% going to get it along with any other vaccine which is available and effective. Some vaccines just half the risk of infection so need high coverage in the population.
  - journalctl 7y ago
    It’s certainly cheaper than cancer, although as always it’s a pity people have to pay out of pocket for it.
- epmaybe 7y ago
  completely covered by insurance if within the CDC guidelines for recommended age groups (around 11-21 for both males and females, but double check first!)
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    Yes! Get it (or get it for your kids) while you're covered!
blahblahblogger 7y ago
Hmm I was also told that I didn't need to bother getting this done b/c I'm in my mid-30s. But I haven't been that sexually active in my life :( so I know the stat about most ppl having some form of HPV but it may not apply to me. Do you have to get it earlier in life?
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Ideally, you get the vaccine before you're sexually active, as it won't inoculate you against strains of the virus you have already been infected with [1]. I recommend it to everyone who will listen. Cheap risk mitigation (comparatively speaking). Australia made it compulsory, and they will have eliminated cervical cancer in a few decades because of it [2] (and my hunch is that gene therapy will pick up the remainder until then [3]). It's literally a vaccine that prevents cancer [4]. Who says no to that? [1] https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/by_the_way_doctor_should_i_get_the_hpv_vaccine_if_im_already_infected https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/by_th... (Harvard Women's Health Watch | By the way, doctor: Should I get the HPV vaccine if I'm already infected?) [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/03/world/australia/cervical-cancer-hpv-vaccine.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/03/world/australia/cervical-... (In Australia, Cervical Cancer Could Soon Be Eliminated) [3] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-09/cervical-cancer-cure-research-gene-technology-qld/11583158 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-09/cervical-cancer-cure-... (Cervical cancer 'cure' closer with gene-editing breakthrough, scientists say) [4] https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2019/p0822-cancer-prevented-vaccine.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2019/p0822-cancer-prevent... (An Estimated 92% of Cancers Caused by HPV Could be Prevented by Vaccine)
  - masonic 7y ago
    they will have eliminated cervical cancer in a few decades False. Not all cervical cancers are caused by HPV.
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667%2818%2930183-X/fulltext#%20 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2... "In 2007, Australia was one of the first countries to introduce a national human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccination programme, and it has since achieved high vaccination coverage across both sexes. In December, 2017, organised cervical screening in Australia transitioned from cytology-based screening every 2 years for women aged from 18–20 years to 69 years, to primary HPV testing every 5 years for women aged 25–69 years and exit testing for women aged 70–74 years. We aimed to identify the earliest years in which the annual age-standardised incidence of cervical cancer in Australia (which is currently seven cases per 100 000 women) could decrease below two annual thresholds that could be considered to be potential elimination thresholds: a rare cancer threshold (six new cases per 100 000 women) or a lower threshold (four new cases per 100 000 women), since Australia is likely to be one of the first countries to reach these benchmarks."
m0zg 7y ago
Wouldn't you already be almost certainly infected by mid-30s? Does it work if you're already carrying the virus?
- technofiend 7y ago
  There are multiple strains of the virus. Even if infected with one wouldn't you like protection against the rest, particularly as Gardasil 9 is the vaccine you'll get in the US and covers the most strains? https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/infectious-agents/hpv-vaccine-fact-sheet https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/i... From the link above: Three vaccines that prevent infection with disease-causing HPV types are licensed for use in the United States: Gardasil®, Gardasil® 9, and Cervarix®. All three vaccines prevent infection with HPV types 16 and 18, two high-risk HPVs that cause about 70% of cervical cancers and an even higher percentage of some of the other HPV-caused cancers (1, 2). Gardasil also prevents infection with HPV types 6 and 11, which cause 90% of genital warts (3). Gardasil 9 prevents infection with the same four HPV types plus five additional cancer-causing types (31, 33, 45, 52, and 58) that together account for 10 to 20% of cervical cancers. Gardasil 9 is now the only HPV vaccine available for use in the United States. Cervarix and Gardasil are still used in other countries.
- vo2maxer 7y ago
  At a minimum, it may augment “both the magnitude and quality of natural immunity” in sexually active persons. [1] [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5006801/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5006801/
  - m0zg 7y ago
    Good to know. Will ask my physician about getting it then.
  - masonic 7y ago
    Out of a grand total of five subjects, two showed a response. Not much of a study.
- burfog 7y ago
epmaybe 7y ago
Cdc guidelines don't include your age group so it's doubtful that insurance would cover it even today.. And it's not even that they're going to eventually have seen as kids, what if you get married and want to have kids? You don't know your partner's sexual history.
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