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In the current political landscape in the us, the left wing tends to be more science based, while the right wing is more religious based. For example the base p

In the current political landscape in the us, the left wing tends to be more science based, while the right wing is more religious based. For example the base position in the right wing party is to deny climate change exists. To put superstition and dogma over reason and evidence is the antithesis of the enlightenment.

zozbot234 7y ago
> the left wing tends to be more science based Sorry, but the left wing is not "science based" at all when it comes to the social sciences - their attitude to social issues is very much religious in nature (see any mention of "socialism" and "wealth taxes" as perhaps the clearest and least controversial example) and "the antithesis of the enlightenment". Both sides are playing this game.
- confidantlake 7y ago
  Agreed, but in my personal view social sciences are not really sciences at all. They have a largely ideological component. I expect there to be disagreements there. On the other hand denying hard sciences seems much worse.
  - zozbot234 7y ago
    > Agreed, but in my personal view social sciences are not really sciences at all. That's quite wrong. Even as we speak, hundreds of millions of people are being lifted out of poverty, thanks in no small part to the gradual adoption of saner policies based in the social sciences. That's not "ideology", it's real results.
    - confidantlake 7y ago
      Agree, I am having trouble expressing my thoughts correctly here. Maybe what I mean to say is describing a physical properties of our universe is much simpler than understanding social systems. Therefore these ideas tend to get simplified and you hear things like "communism is good" or "capitalism is good". It becomes more about tribal identity than scientific inquiry. But I concede that in other instances better policies based on social sciences are helping us tremendously.
ummonk 7y ago
The base position of the left wing party is to deny biological sex exists.
- confidantlake 7y ago
  In this area I believe they are incorrect.
pnako 7y ago
The left is pro science as long as you don't discuss biology, evolution and the differences between men and women or ethnic groups.
- perl4ever 7y ago
  There are taboos on the left, but there's no right wing alternative to the science. I mean, if there was some viable insight into biology that required eschewing leftish ideology, why couldn't it be monetized with startups?
  - username90 7y ago
    > I mean, if there was some viable insight into biology that required eschewing leftish ideology, why couldn't it be monetized with startups? Startups do this all the time by hiring mostly asian and white men instead of trying to match population levels. We can't say for sure if that strategy helped or hurt them, but I haven't seen any investor trying to force startups to diversify their workforce.
    - perl4ever 7y ago
      I was talking about science/scientists, not HR policies. Like at a biotech startup. From the point of view of an investor, who is doing the science differently because of ideology, and why is it better?

zozbot234 7y ago

> the left wing tends to be more science based Sorry, but the left wing is not "science based" at all when it comes to the social sciences - their attitude to social issues is very much religious in nature (see any mention of "socialism" and "wealth taxes" as perhaps the clearest and least controversial example) and "the antithesis of the enlightenment". Both sides are playing this game.

confidantlake 7y ago
Agreed, but in my personal view social sciences are not really sciences at all. They have a largely ideological component. I expect there to be disagreements there. On the other hand denying hard sciences seems much worse.
- zozbot234 7y ago
  > Agreed, but in my personal view social sciences are not really sciences at all. That's quite wrong. Even as we speak, hundreds of millions of people are being lifted out of poverty, thanks in no small part to the gradual adoption of saner policies based in the social sciences. That's not "ideology", it's real results.
  - confidantlake 7y ago
    Agree, I am having trouble expressing my thoughts correctly here. Maybe what I mean to say is describing a physical properties of our universe is much simpler than understanding social systems. Therefore these ideas tend to get simplified and you hear things like "communism is good" or "capitalism is good". It becomes more about tribal identity than scientific inquiry. But I concede that in other instances better policies based on social sciences are helping us tremendously.

ummonk 7y ago

The base position of the left wing party is to deny biological sex exists.

confidantlake 7y ago
In this area I believe they are incorrect.

pnako 7y ago

The left is pro science as long as you don't discuss biology, evolution and the differences between men and women or ethnic groups.

perl4ever 7y ago
There are taboos on the left, but there's no right wing alternative to the science. I mean, if there was some viable insight into biology that required eschewing leftish ideology, why couldn't it be monetized with startups?
- username90 7y ago
  > I mean, if there was some viable insight into biology that required eschewing leftish ideology, why couldn't it be monetized with startups? Startups do this all the time by hiring mostly asian and white men instead of trying to match population levels. We can't say for sure if that strategy helped or hurt them, but I haven't seen any investor trying to force startups to diversify their workforce.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    I was talking about science/scientists, not HR policies. Like at a biotech startup. From the point of view of an investor, who is doing the science differently because of ideology, and why is it better?