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Interesting read. This hardens the argument we need continue to rapidly develop automation technology. If the productivity of robots were considered, the pyrami

by netfl0 7y ago

Interesting read. This hardens the argument we need continue to rapidly develop automation technology. If the productivity of robots were considered, the pyramid would look very different.

davidwihl 7y ago
Another factor is that the aging population is generally healthier and can work longer than prior generations. I have no desire to stop working at a specific age. Working keep me mentally sharp, while contributing to solving problems as opposed to being a burden on society.
- yulaow 7y ago
  I think most people would prefer to retire and work in project which interest themselves which often have no financial sense or would not be financially viable unless you already have an income which can maintain yourself. Eg: I have zero interest to work for megacorporation for the next crud tool, but I would "work" even 10hours a day for a lot of open source projects I like which would never be capable of paying me, so I look forward to retirement and I wish I could, already today, not work just to keep me and the economy afloat
  - agumonkey 7y ago
    How many retirees found it hard to abandon their field even though the pressure was too tiring for them ? Maybe full retirement is too strong, and should be obvious only in physically tough jobs, but for others a semi retirement, as a wise/consultant in their company could be a good compromise.
jfk13 7y ago
> we need continue to rapidly develop... No, "rapidly develop[ing]" anything is not a solution. We need to get humans as a species to shift our (subconscious) thinking away from the goal of an ever-increasing number of humans with an ever-increasing "standard of living", enabled by ever-rising "productivity". We're living in what is essentially a closed system with limited resources and carrying capacity. If we think we can always overcome the limits of one resource by more development of another, we're deluding ourselves and likely on track to make the crash worse when it finally comes. Exactly what the long-term, sustainable capacity of the Earth may be is of course unknown, but I think there's a strong possibility that we are currently exceeding it.
- agumonkey 7y ago
  The ever-increasing standard of living seems a fallacy to me. I think part of our system enjoys a lot of things that aren't done by us anymore (crafting tools, making your food, taking time to move and wonder in various sights of nature, teaming up).
- netfl0 7y ago
  > We need to get humans as a species to shift our (subconscious) thinking away from the goal of an ever-increasing number of humans with an ever-increasing "standard of living", enabled by ever-rising "productivity". If you more closely analyze my post, I think you’d see we may agree.

by netfl0 7y ago

Interesting read. This hardens the argument we need continue to rapidly develop automation technology. If the productivity of robots were considered, the pyramid would look very different.

davidwihl 7y ago

Another factor is that the aging population is generally healthier and can work longer than prior generations. I have no desire to stop working at a specific age. Working keep me mentally sharp, while contributing to solving problems as opposed to being a burden on society.

yulaow 7y ago
I think most people would prefer to retire and work in project which interest themselves which often have no financial sense or would not be financially viable unless you already have an income which can maintain yourself. Eg: I have zero interest to work for megacorporation for the next crud tool, but I would "work" even 10hours a day for a lot of open source projects I like which would never be capable of paying me, so I look forward to retirement and I wish I could, already today, not work just to keep me and the economy afloat
- agumonkey 7y ago
  How many retirees found it hard to abandon their field even though the pressure was too tiring for them ? Maybe full retirement is too strong, and should be obvious only in physically tough jobs, but for others a semi retirement, as a wise/consultant in their company could be a good compromise.

jfk13 7y ago

> we need continue to rapidly develop... No, "rapidly develop[ing]" anything is not a solution. We need to get humans as a species to shift our (subconscious) thinking away from the goal of an ever-increasing number of humans with an ever-increasing "standard of living", enabled by ever-rising "productivity". We're living in what is essentially a closed system with limited resources and carrying capacity. If we think we can always overcome the limits of one resource by more development of another, we're deluding ourselves and likely on track to make the crash worse when it finally comes. Exactly what the long-term, sustainable capacity of the Earth may be is of course unknown, but I think there's a strong possibility that we are currently exceeding it.

agumonkey 7y ago
The ever-increasing standard of living seems a fallacy to me. I think part of our system enjoys a lot of things that aren't done by us anymore (crafting tools, making your food, taking time to move and wonder in various sights of nature, teaming up).
netfl0 7y ago
> We need to get humans as a species to shift our (subconscious) thinking away from the goal of an ever-increasing number of humans with an ever-increasing "standard of living", enabled by ever-rising "productivity". If you more closely analyze my post, I think you’d see we may agree.