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"The policy statement said "anti-democratic, anti-pluralist, misanthropic and right-wing extremist attitudes and actions, including violence in Dresden, are occ

by 100011 7y ago

"The policy statement said "anti-democratic, anti-pluralist, misanthropic and right-wing extremist attitudes and actions, including violence in Dresden, are occurring with increasing frequency", according to Deutsche Welle (DW)." What a joke. You have a permission to be liberal in a liberal regime and nothing else. Which itself boils down to anti-pluralism and anti-democratic attitude. "Alternative for Germany, a far-right party, received more than 17% of the vote in city council elections this year." Oh, it's an emergency because people are not voting correctly in the democracy rightly understood.

rumanator 7y ago
> What a joke. You have a permission to be liberal in a liberal regime and nothing else. Your "nothing else" refers to authoritarian ideas devised to oppress and persecute everyone around you that does not comply with your world view. Oppression and ideological persecution is no joke, and it's a civilization problem that must be dealt with before it becomes a problem to society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
- 100011 7y ago
  > "authoritarian ideas devised to oppress and persecute everyone around you that does not comply with your world view" This is a description of State governance (and it's mirror image is State institutions enforcing ideas with which it agrees). This description is impossible to distinguish from any other description of functional State enforcing monopoly of violence over territory. Liberal regimes issue heavy propaganda, such as nicknaming this as 'paradox of tolerance', to create legal and philosophical fictions to enforce the ruling elite's grasp of State power. Robert Michels called it 'Iron Law of Oligarchy', Vilfredo Pareto & Gaetano Mosca described it in elite theory. There's always going to be rulers and ruled. So the issue in the "news" is not a Third Reich uprising through "accidents" of democratic voting, or an idealistic liberal regime being under threat, or an authoritarian threat, but the capture of State power and institutions away from one elite to another. The institutions and State power matter not if you cannot enforce your ideas through them. Nothing is in here which wasn't already in Thucydides.

by 100011 7y ago

rumanator 7y ago

> What a joke. You have a permission to be liberal in a liberal regime and nothing else. Your "nothing else" refers to authoritarian ideas devised to oppress and persecute everyone around you that does not comply with your world view. Oppression and ideological persecution is no joke, and it's a civilization problem that must be dealt with before it becomes a problem to society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

100011 7y ago
> "authoritarian ideas devised to oppress and persecute everyone around you that does not comply with your world view" This is a description of State governance (and it's mirror image is State institutions enforcing ideas with which it agrees). This description is impossible to distinguish from any other description of functional State enforcing monopoly of violence over territory. Liberal regimes issue heavy propaganda, such as nicknaming this as 'paradox of tolerance', to create legal and philosophical fictions to enforce the ruling elite's grasp of State power. Robert Michels called it 'Iron Law of Oligarchy', Vilfredo Pareto & Gaetano Mosca described it in elite theory. There's always going to be rulers and ruled. So the issue in the "news" is not a Third Reich uprising through "accidents" of democratic voting, or an idealistic liberal regime being under threat, or an authoritarian threat, but the capture of State power and institutions away from one elite to another. The institutions and State power matter not if you cannot enforce your ideas through them. Nothing is in here which wasn't already in Thucydides.