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By only profiling the top 1M sites, I wonder if this may be sampling from a set not normally distributed? I suspect the frequency of use of WordPress might go u

By only profiling the top 1M sites, I wonder if this may be sampling from a set not normally distributed? I suspect the frequency of use of WordPress might go up the further down the list you go — some random blog is less likely to be on the top 1M list yet be more likely to use WordPress.

rdiddly 7y ago
I suspect this is so. The top million (specifically a subset of that) is where the sites fall whose owners can afford to hire people to build their own custom stuff. Small independent sites seem more likely to rely on something like WordPress.
- fierarul 7y ago
  > Small independent sites seem more likely to rely on something like WordPress. I never understood this. I've also been suggested Wordpress by a web guy. The only time I had Wordpress on a pretty basic website I got a notification it had been hacked, while on holiday! I've been using static websites ever since. I suspect a lot of the current small Wordpress sites could be just a well and more securely served by some static thing.
  - big_chungus 7y ago
    Not every site is static. Sometimes you need forms, processing, or other back-end business logic. Some people advocating using saas widgets for stuff like cc payments, but you're just farming out the dynamic parts to someone else. That gets hard to maintain with scale and with increased complexity. I see a lot of people on this site debating the pure merits of a technology, but what others know and can work with is just as important as the technology itself. People know wordpress.
    - bryanrasmussen 7y ago
      Getting harder to maintain with scale and increased complexity is not something I would associate with a small site though.
    - fierarul 7y ago
      I agree with your remarks. There certainly are sites out there in need of dynamic behaviour. But that long tail has a lot of restaurant websites and such where nothing is really needed.
- AJ007 7y ago
  That is definitely not true. I think that statement is correct roughly for the top 50,000. The fall off in economic viability is fairly abrupt. There are some websites in certain markets where the earn a disproportionately high amount of revenue per visitor, and these are the exception. But, given the nature of web and the difficulty in how the user actually found that site, a good chunk of their margins may have accrued to another party such as Google.
  - petra 7y ago
    From what we know about software platforms - it's a winner takes all/most business. Wordpress isn't there(but 34% is huge). Why is that ?
  - onion2k 7y ago
    Most of the top 10,000,000 websites are the internet presence of businesses that sells things in the real world.
  - rdiddly 7y ago
    I said "a subset of that." The top 50,000 is absolutely a subset of the top million. But you don't need to conjecture about that number 50,000. Again I'm saying the top million most-visited sites is where all the profitable sites likely fall. (Not that they're all profitable.)
mfer 7y ago
W3techs profiles the top 10 million sites which shows a percentage of 34% [1]. You might be right. [1] https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/content_management/all https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/content_management...
- sandov 7y ago
  The article says: "Afirman que usan una base de datos de 10 millones de dominios sacadas directamente de Alexa, pero cuando vas a la fuente no existe. Alexa solo proporcionan 1 millón." Translation: They [W3techs] say they use a database of 10 million domains taken directly from Alexa, but when you inspect the source, it doesn't exist. Alexa provides only 1 million.
  - rgbrenner 7y ago
    Alexa provides a list of the top 1m... but you can also page through the top sites (100 at a time) using their 'top sites' api... and I don't see a limit on that. Edit: confirmed by aws: https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=167457 https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=167457

rdiddly 7y ago

I suspect this is so. The top million (specifically a subset of that) is where the sites fall whose owners can afford to hire people to build their own custom stuff. Small independent sites seem more likely to rely on something like WordPress.

fierarul 7y ago
> Small independent sites seem more likely to rely on something like WordPress. I never understood this. I've also been suggested Wordpress by a web guy. The only time I had Wordpress on a pretty basic website I got a notification it had been hacked, while on holiday! I've been using static websites ever since. I suspect a lot of the current small Wordpress sites could be just a well and more securely served by some static thing.
- big_chungus 7y ago
  Not every site is static. Sometimes you need forms, processing, or other back-end business logic. Some people advocating using saas widgets for stuff like cc payments, but you're just farming out the dynamic parts to someone else. That gets hard to maintain with scale and with increased complexity. I see a lot of people on this site debating the pure merits of a technology, but what others know and can work with is just as important as the technology itself. People know wordpress.
  - bryanrasmussen 7y ago
    Getting harder to maintain with scale and increased complexity is not something I would associate with a small site though.
  - fierarul 7y ago
    I agree with your remarks. There certainly are sites out there in need of dynamic behaviour. But that long tail has a lot of restaurant websites and such where nothing is really needed.
AJ007 7y ago
That is definitely not true. I think that statement is correct roughly for the top 50,000. The fall off in economic viability is fairly abrupt. There are some websites in certain markets where the earn a disproportionately high amount of revenue per visitor, and these are the exception. But, given the nature of web and the difficulty in how the user actually found that site, a good chunk of their margins may have accrued to another party such as Google.
- petra 7y ago
  From what we know about software platforms - it's a winner takes all/most business. Wordpress isn't there(but 34% is huge). Why is that ?
- onion2k 7y ago
  Most of the top 10,000,000 websites are the internet presence of businesses that sells things in the real world.
- rdiddly 7y ago
  I said "a subset of that." The top 50,000 is absolutely a subset of the top million. But you don't need to conjecture about that number 50,000. Again I'm saying the top million most-visited sites is where all the profitable sites likely fall. (Not that they're all profitable.)

mfer 7y ago

W3techs profiles the top 10 million sites which shows a percentage of 34% [1]. You might be right. [1] https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/content_management/all https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/content_management...

sandov 7y ago
The article says: "Afirman que usan una base de datos de 10 millones de dominios sacadas directamente de Alexa, pero cuando vas a la fuente no existe. Alexa solo proporcionan 1 millón." Translation: They [W3techs] say they use a database of 10 million domains taken directly from Alexa, but when you inspect the source, it doesn't exist. Alexa provides only 1 million.
- rgbrenner 7y ago
  Alexa provides a list of the top 1m... but you can also page through the top sites (100 at a time) using their 'top sites' api... and I don't see a limit on that. Edit: confirmed by aws: https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=167457 https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=167457