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> I don't think I've ever known anyone who wakes later than that. There are a lot of us. And considering all of the ways society makes life harder for night ow

> I don't think I've ever known anyone who wakes later than that. There are a lot of us. And considering all of the ways society makes life harder for night owls (including being incredulous that we even exist, as shown here), I'm surprised permanent DST is even on the table. But I'll take it.

dtech 7y ago
Ayep, somehow you're lazy if you prefer sleeping at 2AM and waking at 10AM, and hardworking if you prefer sleeping at 10PM and waking at 6AM.
bungle 7y ago
I am a night owl, and permanent DST is worse. I would not like that. Usually for us, night owls, it is hard to switch from standard time to dst as we need to wake up one hour earlier. The early riser society is already against us. On winter time, because of all the darkness at north (I live in Finland), it would be hard to get up as the sun is not helping. Standard time during winters at least helps a bit as you can wake up with some sun light. Sure the downside is that it is dark after work. But for me it would be dark, no matter what. I am not leaving my work at 2pm to enjoy the light, which is gone at 4pm. On summer it is never dark, so you can jog at 2am just fine.
journalctl 7y ago
To be fair, humans are wired to generally get up when the sun comes up. There’s nothing wrong with staying up late and getting up late, but society has kind of settled on “things happen early in the morning”, and considering biology, I don’t think that’s unreasonable.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 7y ago
  From what I heard, that's not true. Due to some ancient group of people being "on guard duty", while others not, the night owls seems just to derive from that group of people that was on guard duty. Guaranteed this is a just a voice I heard, it explains why my grandfather, my mother, me and my daughter all wake up late and prefer going to bed late. And to be clear, we adapted to the sleep time of my daughter, not the opposite (it's the only way to get sleep as a parent)

dtech 7y ago

Ayep, somehow you're lazy if you prefer sleeping at 2AM and waking at 10AM, and hardworking if you prefer sleeping at 10PM and waking at 6AM.

bungle 7y ago

I am a night owl, and permanent DST is worse. I would not like that. Usually for us, night owls, it is hard to switch from standard time to dst as we need to wake up one hour earlier. The early riser society is already against us. On winter time, because of all the darkness at north (I live in Finland), it would be hard to get up as the sun is not helping. Standard time during winters at least helps a bit as you can wake up with some sun light. Sure the downside is that it is dark after work. But for me it would be dark, no matter what. I am not leaving my work at 2pm to enjoy the light, which is gone at 4pm. On summer it is never dark, so you can jog at 2am just fine.

journalctl 7y ago

To be fair, humans are wired to generally get up when the sun comes up. There’s nothing wrong with staying up late and getting up late, but society has kind of settled on “things happen early in the morning”, and considering biology, I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 7y ago
From what I heard, that's not true. Due to some ancient group of people being "on guard duty", while others not, the night owls seems just to derive from that group of people that was on guard duty. Guaranteed this is a just a voice I heard, it explains why my grandfather, my mother, me and my daughter all wake up late and prefer going to bed late. And to be clear, we adapted to the sleep time of my daughter, not the opposite (it's the only way to get sleep as a parent)