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I think the UK is leaning towards summer time all year. People seem to greatly prefer going home in the light than waking up in it. [Plus it'll keep us more in

I think the UK is leaning towards summer time all year. People seem to greatly prefer going home in the light than waking up in it. [Plus it'll keep us more in sync with Europe, assuming they stick on standard time]

Semaphor 7y ago
> Plus it'll keep us more in sync with Europe, assuming they stick on standard time IIRC the poll in Germany at least greatly favored permanent CEST as well.
- Al-Khwarizmi 7y ago
  The poll in Spain also had a huge majority for permanent DST, but the government says they lean towards standard time anyway, because "experts".
  - Riesling 7y ago
    I hope Germans also reconsider and start listening to the scientists! This is again one of those issues where people voted against their own interests, because they associate summer with warmth + light and winter with cold + darkness.
  - _ph_ 7y ago
    Spain keeping permanent DST would be quite peculiar. Their standard time already is 2 hours aheard of the sun, so I wouldn't understand why they wanted to be permanentely 3 hours ahead of the sun.
- _ph_ 7y ago
  The "poll" hat about 4% participation and the language of the choices has been controversial. So one should not take it as a strict mandate. This is also one of the topics, where large parts of the population demonstratably don't understand the question, so should be left to the parliaments. Especially as technical questions of maintaining a central time zone are more important than where the timezone lands.
kseistrup 7y ago
The EU will shift to DST in springtime 2021. Then in the autumn of 2021, each individual country in the EU will decide whether or not to switch back to standard time, thus ending permanently on ST or DST. Switching to and from DST has been a PITA for me, so I look forward to 2021. And personally I'm in favour of permanent standard time. I do like the wonderfully long evenings in summer here in Denmark, but I dread the dark mornings in winter. So standard time for me, please.
- jabl 7y ago
  Last I heard, this has stalled in the EU parliament. :( Some of the big countries have shifted their position from "cool, lets do this" to "meh, why bother". I'd also prefer permanent standard time, FWIW.
  - kseistrup 7y ago
    Perhaps you are right (although I hope you aren't). I was reading https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20190321IPR32107/parliament-backs-proposal-to-end-switch-between-summer-and-winter-time-in-2021 https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20190321IP... the other day, and I sensed some light at the end of the tunnel. I guess we'll see…
  - _ph_ 7y ago
    I think it is more important to keep the common time zone we currently have in the middle of the EU than where exactly it is. So it makes sense to delay a decision, until an agreement across the member states of that time zone can be reached. And as most of the time zone already is in the "plus" vs. the astronomical time, standard time would be the very obvious choice.
silveroriole 7y ago
I hate waking up in the dark, it makes me feel awful as if I’ve had to wake up in the middle of the night. Coming back home in the dark can be quite nice, on the other hand. Feels very autumnal and cosy. If we stop changing the clocks I’ll definitely have to buy one of those light alarm clocks.
bcrosby95 7y ago
Yeah, coming home in the dark sucks when you have kids.

Semaphor 7y ago

> Plus it'll keep us more in sync with Europe, assuming they stick on standard time IIRC the poll in Germany at least greatly favored permanent CEST as well.

Al-Khwarizmi 7y ago
The poll in Spain also had a huge majority for permanent DST, but the government says they lean towards standard time anyway, because "experts".
- Riesling 7y ago
  I hope Germans also reconsider and start listening to the scientists! This is again one of those issues where people voted against their own interests, because they associate summer with warmth + light and winter with cold + darkness.
- _ph_ 7y ago
  Spain keeping permanent DST would be quite peculiar. Their standard time already is 2 hours aheard of the sun, so I wouldn't understand why they wanted to be permanentely 3 hours ahead of the sun.
_ph_ 7y ago
The "poll" hat about 4% participation and the language of the choices has been controversial. So one should not take it as a strict mandate. This is also one of the topics, where large parts of the population demonstratably don't understand the question, so should be left to the parliaments. Especially as technical questions of maintaining a central time zone are more important than where the timezone lands.

kseistrup 7y ago

The EU will shift to DST in springtime 2021. Then in the autumn of 2021, each individual country in the EU will decide whether or not to switch back to standard time, thus ending permanently on ST or DST. Switching to and from DST has been a PITA for me, so I look forward to 2021. And personally I'm in favour of permanent standard time. I do like the wonderfully long evenings in summer here in Denmark, but I dread the dark mornings in winter. So standard time for me, please.

jabl 7y ago
Last I heard, this has stalled in the EU parliament. :( Some of the big countries have shifted their position from "cool, lets do this" to "meh, why bother". I'd also prefer permanent standard time, FWIW.
- kseistrup 7y ago
  Perhaps you are right (although I hope you aren't). I was reading https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20190321IPR32107/parliament-backs-proposal-to-end-switch-between-summer-and-winter-time-in-2021 https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20190321IP... the other day, and I sensed some light at the end of the tunnel. I guess we'll see…
- _ph_ 7y ago
  I think it is more important to keep the common time zone we currently have in the middle of the EU than where exactly it is. So it makes sense to delay a decision, until an agreement across the member states of that time zone can be reached. And as most of the time zone already is in the "plus" vs. the astronomical time, standard time would be the very obvious choice.

silveroriole 7y ago

I hate waking up in the dark, it makes me feel awful as if I’ve had to wake up in the middle of the night. Coming back home in the dark can be quite nice, on the other hand. Feels very autumnal and cosy. If we stop changing the clocks I’ll definitely have to buy one of those light alarm clocks.

bcrosby95 7y ago

Yeah, coming home in the dark sucks when you have kids.