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This is an unconvincing argument. Singapore is effectively on year-round daylight time. Singapore is just barely north of the equator, but it's on the same tim

This is an unconvincing argument. Singapore is effectively on year-round daylight time. Singapore is just barely north of the equator, but it's on the same timezone as Indonesia, which puts it a full hour ahead of the timezone it "should" be on, according to its solar noon. As a result, sunrise is around 7am and sunset is around 7pm every day of the year. Somehow, this hasn't caused the country to fall into collapse, the way these quoted sleep experts make it sound.

CrazyStat 7y ago
The article is about Canada, far from the equator, where sunrise times are substantially later in the winter months. Singapore is not a relevant case for the experts' concern.
- chimeracoder 7y ago
  > The article is about Canada, far from the equator, where sunrise times are substantially later in the winter months. Not really that much later. On the winter solstice, sunrise in Vancouver is around 8am, which is less than an hour after Singapore (Singapore's sunrise can be as late as 7:15am).
  - CrazyStat 7y ago
    That would be 9am with the proposed change. Quite a difference between 7:15 and 9.
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- throw0101a 7y ago
  Yes, but "Canada" is big, and most of the people live on the southern portion of it. The southern Ontario wine region is at the same latitude as France's wine region. Scotland is at the same latitude as northern Quebec. Compare locations on a globe.
  - CrazyStat 7y ago
    France, Scotland. Neither of those are Singapore last time I checked. By all means make comparisons to France and Scotland, I don't have any issues with that.
  - gerbilly 7y ago
    > most of the people live on the southern portion of it. Yeah and the 'south of Canada' is at the 49th parallel more or less. Singapore is at 1°N.
4d617832 7y ago
Sunrise at 7am seems fine to me. But at my place for example it would mean sunrise as late as 9 or 10am at the shortest day of the year. This is compelling to me at least.
dmos62 7y ago
These problems get more pronounced as you travel away from the equator. In places where sun rises at 9:00 and sets at 16:00 for months every year, these little changes are a big deal.
- chimeracoder 7y ago
  > In places where sun rises at 9:00 and sets at 16:00 for months every year This article is not about those places. It's about British Columbia, where sunrise on the winter solstice is less than an hour later than Singapore's typical sunrise.
  - timbit42 7y ago
    No.
gerbilly 7y ago
> Somehow, this hasn't caused the country to fall into collapse, the way these quoted sleep experts make it sound. Maybe if they got better sleep they wouldn't draft laws that get people flogged for putting their shoes on the wrong feet or being nude in their own apartment.

CrazyStat 7y ago

The article is about Canada, far from the equator, where sunrise times are substantially later in the winter months. Singapore is not a relevant case for the experts' concern.

chimeracoder 7y ago
> The article is about Canada, far from the equator, where sunrise times are substantially later in the winter months. Not really that much later. On the winter solstice, sunrise in Vancouver is around 8am, which is less than an hour after Singapore (Singapore's sunrise can be as late as 7:15am).
- CrazyStat 7y ago
  That would be 9am with the proposed change. Quite a difference between 7:15 and 9.
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throw0101a 7y ago
Yes, but "Canada" is big, and most of the people live on the southern portion of it. The southern Ontario wine region is at the same latitude as France's wine region. Scotland is at the same latitude as northern Quebec. Compare locations on a globe.
- CrazyStat 7y ago
  France, Scotland. Neither of those are Singapore last time I checked. By all means make comparisons to France and Scotland, I don't have any issues with that.
- gerbilly 7y ago
  > most of the people live on the southern portion of it. Yeah and the 'south of Canada' is at the 49th parallel more or less. Singapore is at 1°N.

4d617832 7y ago

Sunrise at 7am seems fine to me. But at my place for example it would mean sunrise as late as 9 or 10am at the shortest day of the year. This is compelling to me at least.

dmos62 7y ago

These problems get more pronounced as you travel away from the equator. In places where sun rises at 9:00 and sets at 16:00 for months every year, these little changes are a big deal.

chimeracoder 7y ago
> In places where sun rises at 9:00 and sets at 16:00 for months every year This article is not about those places. It's about British Columbia, where sunrise on the winter solstice is less than an hour later than Singapore's typical sunrise.
- timbit42 7y ago
  No.

gerbilly 7y ago

> Somehow, this hasn't caused the country to fall into collapse, the way these quoted sleep experts make it sound. Maybe if they got better sleep they wouldn't draft laws that get people flogged for putting their shoes on the wrong feet or being nude in their own apartment.