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I understand the sentiment and the intention and there are many layers of this onion to unwrap Formal wear unlocked some muscles your organization never even k

I understand the sentiment and the intention and there are many layers of this onion to unwrap Formal wear unlocked some muscles your organization never even knew it had, and also some difficult conversations and investment dynamics which arose but were settled magnanimously enough and seem to have led to modest gains in morale despite initial skepticism and coercion / push & pushback The point is you got to somewhere you didn't know you'd go and now you have a taste for how the world actually works that's ever so slightly outside of the organizational event horizon i.e. the collective comfort zone that keeps you all locked in to a shared inertia I'd venture, not to harp on your example that the organization never quite reached the critical mass that would possibly have occurred had you followed down this road a ways, and perhaps the whole thing fizzled out after some new people got onboarded and the old guard began to drift away?

WalterBright 7y ago
Zortech did very well, and was on a nice upward trajectory, and so became a very attractive investment opportunity for Symantec, which acquired it. > now you have a taste for how the world actually works I've known that since college, I just was lackadaisical about applying it. Dressing better is a big part of being more successful. My advice to anyone who feels their talents are underappreciated and overlooked is to consider upgrading their wardrobe. Billionaires can dress like slobs, but the rest of us can't really afford to. Dressing better won't close the deal, but it can open up opportunities one wasn't aware of. Working on one's speech patterns is effective, too.
- artsyca 7y ago
  I view everything in the world as a conversation essentially -- there are indeed 3 sides to every story but perhaps a little different than what the general consensus in my opinion There's what we say, what we mean, and what to intend The conversation has gotten so mixed up its hard for anyone to know anything especially with people with whom one is unfamiliar and in large groups Dress is very much part of that conversation and is a great heuristic of where the conversation is going; as a very stark generalization I'd venture that people with advanced dress sense also have advanced conversation skills Don't get me wrong I'm sure that people exist who don't fit this but that's why it's just a heuristic And before you mention judging a book by its cover I'm not being judgemental I'm simply stating that humans still need all the help they can get -- we can't all be Kurt Cobains because there are simply some conversations that can't be had in certain milieus
  - Balanceinfinity 7y ago
    The distinction between dressing up and not dressing up is not as big as those who dress with intention and purpose and those who don't. I've seen people wear very expensive suits but they look terrible because they are illfitting and poorly matched. I've seen people in brown pants and a button down shirt looking good because they have their leathers matching and have given some thought to their appearance. so wear suits by all means, but even more important, learn how to put together a set of clothes that speak well for you.
    - artsyca 7y ago
      This is exactly what I have been trying to say, intention matters, and yes you're right about being well put together Unfortunately day after day for a year say, it becomes quite apparent that some people dress without intention, intentionally and that hurts morale
- jjeaff 7y ago
  I agree that your dress can make a big difference. But I'm not convinced dressing up is necessarily the way to go. Sometimes dressing down is purposeful projection of success. It's like playing hard to get. Or "I'm so good at what I do that I don't even need to dress well to earn business."
  - WalterBright 7y ago
    > Sometimes dressing down is purposeful projection of success. It's like playing hard to get. Or "I'm so good at what I do that I don't even need to dress well to earn business." Hence the stereotypical billionaire dressing like a slob. But that don't work so well for the rest of us. For a fictional example, see the TV series "Billions". Axe, the head of the hedge fund, dresses like a slob while his minions all dress to the nines.
    - jjeaff 7y ago
      >But that don't work so well for the rest of us. That's my point. I don't think that is always true. I think it might actually work in some cases
    - artsyca 7y ago
      In the real world the so called minions will each dress to mimic their so called leader and pretty soon you'll have a culture of undress at the expense of the client
  - artsyca 7y ago
    Dressing down makes it easier for imposters and spies to infiltrate our ranks You'd wonder what would happen if the military went casual? It's ironic our corporations use the military C&C structure but not the military's attention to dress details
  - artsyca 7y ago
    Yes and for every Mark Benioff there are a million imitators; will the real Tony Soprano please stand up?
  - 7y ago

WalterBright 7y ago

Zortech did very well, and was on a nice upward trajectory, and so became a very attractive investment opportunity for Symantec, which acquired it. > now you have a taste for how the world actually works I've known that since college, I just was lackadaisical about applying it. Dressing better is a big part of being more successful. My advice to anyone who feels their talents are underappreciated and overlooked is to consider upgrading their wardrobe. Billionaires can dress like slobs, but the rest of us can't really afford to. Dressing better won't close the deal, but it can open up opportunities one wasn't aware of. Working on one's speech patterns is effective, too.

artsyca 7y ago
I view everything in the world as a conversation essentially -- there are indeed 3 sides to every story but perhaps a little different than what the general consensus in my opinion There's what we say, what we mean, and what to intend The conversation has gotten so mixed up its hard for anyone to know anything especially with people with whom one is unfamiliar and in large groups Dress is very much part of that conversation and is a great heuristic of where the conversation is going; as a very stark generalization I'd venture that people with advanced dress sense also have advanced conversation skills Don't get me wrong I'm sure that people exist who don't fit this but that's why it's just a heuristic And before you mention judging a book by its cover I'm not being judgemental I'm simply stating that humans still need all the help they can get -- we can't all be Kurt Cobains because there are simply some conversations that can't be had in certain milieus
- Balanceinfinity 7y ago
  The distinction between dressing up and not dressing up is not as big as those who dress with intention and purpose and those who don't. I've seen people wear very expensive suits but they look terrible because they are illfitting and poorly matched. I've seen people in brown pants and a button down shirt looking good because they have their leathers matching and have given some thought to their appearance. so wear suits by all means, but even more important, learn how to put together a set of clothes that speak well for you.
  - artsyca 7y ago
    This is exactly what I have been trying to say, intention matters, and yes you're right about being well put together Unfortunately day after day for a year say, it becomes quite apparent that some people dress without intention, intentionally and that hurts morale
jjeaff 7y ago
I agree that your dress can make a big difference. But I'm not convinced dressing up is necessarily the way to go. Sometimes dressing down is purposeful projection of success. It's like playing hard to get. Or "I'm so good at what I do that I don't even need to dress well to earn business."
- WalterBright 7y ago
  > Sometimes dressing down is purposeful projection of success. It's like playing hard to get. Or "I'm so good at what I do that I don't even need to dress well to earn business." Hence the stereotypical billionaire dressing like a slob. But that don't work so well for the rest of us. For a fictional example, see the TV series "Billions". Axe, the head of the hedge fund, dresses like a slob while his minions all dress to the nines.
  - jjeaff 7y ago
    >But that don't work so well for the rest of us. That's my point. I don't think that is always true. I think it might actually work in some cases
  - artsyca 7y ago
    In the real world the so called minions will each dress to mimic their so called leader and pretty soon you'll have a culture of undress at the expense of the client
- artsyca 7y ago
  Dressing down makes it easier for imposters and spies to infiltrate our ranks You'd wonder what would happen if the military went casual? It's ironic our corporations use the military C&C structure but not the military's attention to dress details
- artsyca 7y ago
  Yes and for every Mark Benioff there are a million imitators; will the real Tony Soprano please stand up?
- 7y ago