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> Indeed, I’m sure it would be impossible to find 20 hours of footage of Members of the Left or the Greens saying racist things That's a whole other category t

> Indeed, I’m sure it would be impossible to find 20 hours of footage of Members of the Left or the Greens saying racist things That's a whole other category than people hoarding weapons for some "day X", or members of the police equating police having to identify themselves (not by name, with a number) to citizens with Jews having to wear a yellow star [0], and dozens of other things, is just not even remotely in the same ballpark than "members of the Left" saying racist things. If one belittles the issue of Nazi networks in Germany going back to the 1940s, still murdering, with all the weird stuff happening to witnesses, all the failures to investigate -- that's orders of magnitude worse than a racist slur, to anyone who knows and cares about the actual situation. Back to the military though, remember Horst Köhler resigning for basically quoting from the manual of the Bundeswehr? [1] > a country of our size needs to be aware that where called for or in an emergency, military deployment, too, is necessary if we are to protect our interests such as ensuring free trade routes or preventing regional instabilities which are also certain to negatively impact our ability to safeguard trade, jobs and income. The relevant Bundeswehr document at that time, from 2006: https://www.bundeswehr.de/resource/resource/MzEzNTM4MmUzMzMyMmUzMTM1MzMyZTM2MzEzMDMwMzAzMDMwMzAzMDY3NmE2ODY1NmQ2NzY4MzEyMDIwMjAyMDIw/WB_2006_dt_mB.pdf https://www.bundeswehr.de/resource/resource/MzEzNTM4MmUzMzMy... > Deutschland, dessen wirtschaftlicher Wohlstand vom Zugang zu Rohstoffen, Waren und Ideen abhängt, hat ein elementares Interesse an einem friedlichen Wettbewerb der Gedanken, an einem offenen Welthandelssystem und freien Transportwegen. which translates to > Germany, whose economic prosperity depends on access to raw materials, goods and ideas, has a fundamental interest in a peaceful competition of ideas, an open world trade system and free transport routes. So basically, the German president had to leave for openly stating what is official doctrine, and people pretended that it isn't. I wonder what would happen to a little grunt who saw or said the wrong things, or said too plainly what the naked emperor support crowd covers up in bloated, dishonest language. [0] https://twitter.com/vonDobrowolski/status/1178323430074130435/photo/1 https://twitter.com/vonDobrowolski/status/117832343007413043... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_K%C3%B6hler#Resignation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_K%C3%B6hler#Resignation

barry-cotter 7y ago
I’m not sure what your point is. Could you clarify it for me please? On the one hand you seem to be saying that there are networks of no shit actual Nazis in positions of power in Germany and that they have some organizational continuity with post war real Nazis. This seems unlikely, if only because the Stasi would definitely have infiltrated them and exposed them at some point for a propaganda coup. As to the Bundeswehr document and Horst Köhler that does seem insane. If German polite society makes the President reign for saying something that anodyne they might as well abolish the military and declare themselves a protectorate, whether of France or the US.
- freeflight 7y ago
  > On the one hand you seem to be saying that there are networks of no shit actual Nazis in positions of power in Germany and that they have some organizational continuity with post war real Nazis. To this day neo-Nazis are vandalizing Holocaust memorials with slogans like "Hans Steinbrenner did nothing wrong!", the NSU [0] was murdering and bombing their way trough Germany for years, while being in close contact with the German Verfassungsschutz, who actually organized their murder weapon and has a long and nasty history of financing these kinds of networks. The files about that particular case have either been shredded (which was freely admitted) or are now locked up for 150 years. Turns out the same VfS guy who was in contact with the NSU, was also responsible for the guy who recently went on a shooting spree in Halle. The worst terrorist attack in post-WWII Germany? The Octoberfest bombing of 1980 [1], committed by a right-wing nutjob, they even shot cops when those dare to go after their guns [1]. We've reached a point where they are openly marching on their old Nürnberg parading grounds [2]. > This seems unlikely, if only because the Stasi would definitely have infiltrated them and exposed them at some point for a propaganda coup. The Stasi was only a thing in the GDR when Germany was still split in two, the two halves only reunified in the 90s. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oktoberfest_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oktoberfest_bombing [2] https://www.dw.com/en/germany-torch-wielding-neo-nazis-march-in-nuremberg/a-47699823 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-torch-wielding-neo-nazis-march...

barry-cotter 7y ago

I’m not sure what your point is. Could you clarify it for me please? On the one hand you seem to be saying that there are networks of no shit actual Nazis in positions of power in Germany and that they have some organizational continuity with post war real Nazis. This seems unlikely, if only because the Stasi would definitely have infiltrated them and exposed them at some point for a propaganda coup. As to the Bundeswehr document and Horst Köhler that does seem insane. If German polite society makes the President reign for saying something that anodyne they might as well abolish the military and declare themselves a protectorate, whether of France or the US.

freeflight 7y ago
> On the one hand you seem to be saying that there are networks of no shit actual Nazis in positions of power in Germany and that they have some organizational continuity with post war real Nazis. To this day neo-Nazis are vandalizing Holocaust memorials with slogans like "Hans Steinbrenner did nothing wrong!", the NSU [0] was murdering and bombing their way trough Germany for years, while being in close contact with the German Verfassungsschutz, who actually organized their murder weapon and has a long and nasty history of financing these kinds of networks. The files about that particular case have either been shredded (which was freely admitted) or are now locked up for 150 years. Turns out the same VfS guy who was in contact with the NSU, was also responsible for the guy who recently went on a shooting spree in Halle. The worst terrorist attack in post-WWII Germany? The Octoberfest bombing of 1980 [1], committed by a right-wing nutjob, they even shot cops when those dare to go after their guns [1]. We've reached a point where they are openly marching on their old Nürnberg parading grounds [2]. > This seems unlikely, if only because the Stasi would definitely have infiltrated them and exposed them at some point for a propaganda coup. The Stasi was only a thing in the GDR when Germany was still split in two, the two halves only reunified in the 90s. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oktoberfest_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oktoberfest_bombing [2] https://www.dw.com/en/germany-torch-wielding-neo-nazis-march-in-nuremberg/a-47699823 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-torch-wielding-neo-nazis-march...