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I agree that the Chinese people are victims of their government. Why then is there no outrage that Americans are the victim of their own government as well? If

I agree that the Chinese people are victims of their government. Why then is there no outrage that Americans are the victim of their own government as well? If TikTok is banned by the US because of the actions of the Chinese government, then we are no better than the Chinese government who have banned countless "American" apps, as if apps should even have a nationality in the first place.

aianus 7y ago
> we are no better than the Chinese government who have banned countless "American" apps If someone punches you (bans your apps, bans your companies from operating and acquiring companies in their country) and you then punch them back (ban their companies from acquiring companies in your country) you are not the same as them. The order matters and they started it.
- quaquaqua1 7y ago
  What you are saying is that if I punch your child, you should punch mine back as the proper response. There is no need to harm the second child-- you have to deal solely with the person who threw the first punch in a legal, rational, and fair way.
  - crematoria 7y ago
    The problem is that the Chinese government has almost total control over Chinese apps, so American citizens are rightly afraid that Chinese apps might serve as vehicles of Chinese government propaganda. It's totally okay for both America and China to ban whatever foreign stuff they want, though, and both of them have very good reasons to do so.
    - quaquaqua1 7y ago
      >Chinese government has total almost total control over Chinese apps I agree. But watch what happens when you post something bad about an influential person on an American app. The feds pay attention to you more and lean harder on you. The end outcome is the same. >Ban foreign content How can we live in a world where it's ok for any government to decide what you can and can't see
CharlesColeman 7y ago
> Why then is there no outrage that Americans are the victim of their own government as well? What makes you think there isn't? There's outrage about that kind of thing all the time. > If TikTok is banned by the US because of the actions of the Chinese government Where in the article does it say that TikTok could be banned in the US? > If TikTok is banned by the US because of the actions of the Chinese government, then we are no better than the Chinese government who have banned countless "American" apps, as if apps should even have a nationality in the first place. Honestly, I believe you're kinda confused and looking at things too shallowly. Sort of like insisting we condemn someone who killed defending a child from murder the same as we'd condemn someone who committed murder, because they both killed a human being. Identical actions can be rightly judged very differently based on circumstances. The PRC bans American apps because (among other things) its authoritarian ruling oligarchy fears that Western ideas like constitutional democracy and human rights could threaten their power, if taken up by the Chinese people. If the US bans Chinese apps (or disinformation outlets like Russia Today), it will likely be because it values those same ideas and fears losing them.

aianus 7y ago

> we are no better than the Chinese government who have banned countless "American" apps If someone punches you (bans your apps, bans your companies from operating and acquiring companies in their country) and you then punch them back (ban their companies from acquiring companies in your country) you are not the same as them. The order matters and they started it.

quaquaqua1 7y ago
What you are saying is that if I punch your child, you should punch mine back as the proper response. There is no need to harm the second child-- you have to deal solely with the person who threw the first punch in a legal, rational, and fair way.
- crematoria 7y ago
  The problem is that the Chinese government has almost total control over Chinese apps, so American citizens are rightly afraid that Chinese apps might serve as vehicles of Chinese government propaganda. It's totally okay for both America and China to ban whatever foreign stuff they want, though, and both of them have very good reasons to do so.
  - quaquaqua1 7y ago
    >Chinese government has total almost total control over Chinese apps I agree. But watch what happens when you post something bad about an influential person on an American app. The feds pay attention to you more and lean harder on you. The end outcome is the same. >Ban foreign content How can we live in a world where it's ok for any government to decide what you can and can't see

CharlesColeman 7y ago

> Why then is there no outrage that Americans are the victim of their own government as well? What makes you think there isn't? There's outrage about that kind of thing all the time. > If TikTok is banned by the US because of the actions of the Chinese government Where in the article does it say that TikTok could be banned in the US? > If TikTok is banned by the US because of the actions of the Chinese government, then we are no better than the Chinese government who have banned countless "American" apps, as if apps should even have a nationality in the first place. Honestly, I believe you're kinda confused and looking at things too shallowly. Sort of like insisting we condemn someone who killed defending a child from murder the same as we'd condemn someone who committed murder, because they both killed a human being. Identical actions can be rightly judged very differently based on circumstances. The PRC bans American apps because (among other things) its authoritarian ruling oligarchy fears that Western ideas like constitutional democracy and human rights could threaten their power, if taken up by the Chinese people. If the US bans Chinese apps (or disinformation outlets like Russia Today), it will likely be because it values those same ideas and fears losing them.