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This line of discussion seems a bit off the topic of the thread, but I want to respond to you. Based on your last paragraph, it seems to me like it should be pr

This line of discussion seems a bit off the topic of the thread, but I want to respond to you. Based on your last paragraph, it seems to me like it should be pretty clear why there is so much hate for the Chinese government and the companies that act as agents for Chinese government censorship and oppression policies. There are many Chinese nationals suffering and dying in concentration camps _right now_. Am I obliged to engage in whataboutism just to hold the opinion that example and other human rights atrocities are sufficient reason to reject cooperation with the Chinese regime, or the opinion that domestic companies should not become active agents of the the regime’s censorship objectives to do business there? Your comment seems to conflate all of that criticism with “hate for Chinese people,” which seems unfair and disingenuous since I and presumably many people opposed to the CCCP feel that way because of the fate of all the people currently in China’s borders and subjugated by the regime.

quaquaqua1 7y ago
I do not deny any of the claims you have made about concentration camps, human rights abuses, corporate interests etc. But I would really like to understand why there is a double standard in the minds of "my fellow Westerners". Boeing, Raytheon, Booz Allen Hamilton, Halliburton, Lockheed, and the whole Washington aparatus in general have been (in)directly responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people in the Middle East, yet I am still happy to use Instagram and Whatsapp and Youtube. Similarly I will use TikTok concurrently while understanding that the Chinese government has locked 1 million Uighurs in a concentration camp. Surely, not every Chinese citizen voted for this idea. So we shouldn't make assumptions about what "Chinese people" are like
- CharlesColeman 7y ago
  > So we shouldn't make assumptions about what "Chinese people" are like Again, no one is condemning the Chinese people here.
- crematoria 7y ago
  Nobody is stereotyping the Chinese people! Google and Apple have publicly stood up against the US government, and the US doesn't (publicly and legally, at least) meddle with companies to anywhere near the same extent as China. When I support Google, I support Google alone, but when I support Tencent, it feels a little like I'm supporting the Chinese government, too.
  - guuguuguu 7y ago
    Imagine being this native.
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bllguo 7y ago
Of course it's possible to distinguish being against the CCP and being against China! But it's equally as naive and disingenuous to claim that none of the anti-China attitudes in the US are rooted in xenophobia. You can't seriously believe this? The country has discrimination issues with Asian-American _citizens_ for goodness' sake.

quaquaqua1 7y ago

I do not deny any of the claims you have made about concentration camps, human rights abuses, corporate interests etc. But I would really like to understand why there is a double standard in the minds of "my fellow Westerners". Boeing, Raytheon, Booz Allen Hamilton, Halliburton, Lockheed, and the whole Washington aparatus in general have been (in)directly responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people in the Middle East, yet I am still happy to use Instagram and Whatsapp and Youtube. Similarly I will use TikTok concurrently while understanding that the Chinese government has locked 1 million Uighurs in a concentration camp. Surely, not every Chinese citizen voted for this idea. So we shouldn't make assumptions about what "Chinese people" are like

CharlesColeman 7y ago
> So we shouldn't make assumptions about what "Chinese people" are like Again, no one is condemning the Chinese people here.
crematoria 7y ago
Nobody is stereotyping the Chinese people! Google and Apple have publicly stood up against the US government, and the US doesn't (publicly and legally, at least) meddle with companies to anywhere near the same extent as China. When I support Google, I support Google alone, but when I support Tencent, it feels a little like I'm supporting the Chinese government, too.
- guuguuguu 7y ago
  Imagine being this native.
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bllguo 7y ago

Of course it's possible to distinguish being against the CCP and being against China! But it's equally as naive and disingenuous to claim that none of the anti-China attitudes in the US are rooted in xenophobia. You can't seriously believe this? The country has discrimination issues with Asian-American _citizens_ for goodness' sake.