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Don't make the mistake of thinking that the Chinese don't know that. It's long been my opinion that you simply cannot destroy the west without mutually assured

Don't make the mistake of thinking that the Chinese don't know that. It's long been my opinion that you simply cannot destroy the west without mutually assured destruction, so nukes are out. You can't invade and subsequently operate because Americans will never acquiesce to foreign rule, and we are individually armed. The only way to undo the US/west is to have it undo itself. Seed dissent and promote divisions and hatred among its people. Maybe I was shielded from this as a kid, but it seems these divisions are hatred are sharply on the rise as of late, and it's not outside the realm of possibility this is due to foreign influence via social networks.

wil421 7y ago
Agreed. Authoritarian governments with morally questionable methods were and are better than the West at Humanint and propaganda. Russia and China are two good examples. I recently saw a documentary about North Korea. It was talking about the Clinton talks, NK would study everyone they would speak to. They also knew with an election would change guards and wait to get what they wanted. Foreign adversaries must be loving the divide America has at the moment with our 2 party system. They are also trying to divide us by race, economic class, and create a divide with the police.
- vkou 7y ago
  > Agreed. Authoritarian governments with morally questionable methods were and are better than the West at Humanint and propaganda. Russia and China are two good examples. I recently saw a documentary about North Korea. It was talking about the Clinton talks, NK would study everyone they would speak to. They also knew with an election would change guards and wait to get what they wanted. Do you think that the US Department of State, or the foreign ministries of any other country of note don't do this sort of thing?
  - wil421 7y ago
    > Authoritarian governments with morally questionable methods were and are better than the West at Humanint and propaganda. Better than implies they are doing the same thing as the West but are more effective.
    - vkou 7y ago
      How do you know they are more effective at it? Who is telling you this? Someone who is driving a barbarians-at-the-gates narrative, and stands to profit for it? Someone who spent their life working in a department that is always asking for more money? All we have to go on is the word of insiders who work for the various ministries, and all of these insiders have their own agenda. They certainly aren't opening up their organizations to outside verification of their claims! Also, consider the context in which these negotiations take place. When NK negotiates with the US, this is the most important diplomatic conversation they have going. They are obviously going to put a lot of effort into it - as the outcome may be existential to them. When the US negotiates with NK, it's just one of five dozen plates it is spinning at any one time. Whatever the outcome is, it's not going to be an existential crisis for the US. It's unlikely to be the most important diplomatic conversation it's going to have, and the Department of State, and the CIA will prioritize its resources accordingly.
- outuiorew 7y ago
  I used to agree until I read Chomsky’s “Manufacturing Consent.” What Russia and China are doing is child’s play compared to what corporate mass media can do.

wil421 7y ago

Agreed. Authoritarian governments with morally questionable methods were and are better than the West at Humanint and propaganda. Russia and China are two good examples. I recently saw a documentary about North Korea. It was talking about the Clinton talks, NK would study everyone they would speak to. They also knew with an election would change guards and wait to get what they wanted. Foreign adversaries must be loving the divide America has at the moment with our 2 party system. They are also trying to divide us by race, economic class, and create a divide with the police.

vkou 7y ago
> Agreed. Authoritarian governments with morally questionable methods were and are better than the West at Humanint and propaganda. Russia and China are two good examples. I recently saw a documentary about North Korea. It was talking about the Clinton talks, NK would study everyone they would speak to. They also knew with an election would change guards and wait to get what they wanted. Do you think that the US Department of State, or the foreign ministries of any other country of note don't do this sort of thing?
- wil421 7y ago
  > Authoritarian governments with morally questionable methods were and are better than the West at Humanint and propaganda. Better than implies they are doing the same thing as the West but are more effective.
  - vkou 7y ago
    How do you know they are more effective at it? Who is telling you this? Someone who is driving a barbarians-at-the-gates narrative, and stands to profit for it? Someone who spent their life working in a department that is always asking for more money? All we have to go on is the word of insiders who work for the various ministries, and all of these insiders have their own agenda. They certainly aren't opening up their organizations to outside verification of their claims! Also, consider the context in which these negotiations take place. When NK negotiates with the US, this is the most important diplomatic conversation they have going. They are obviously going to put a lot of effort into it - as the outcome may be existential to them. When the US negotiates with NK, it's just one of five dozen plates it is spinning at any one time. Whatever the outcome is, it's not going to be an existential crisis for the US. It's unlikely to be the most important diplomatic conversation it's going to have, and the Department of State, and the CIA will prioritize its resources accordingly.
outuiorew 7y ago
I used to agree until I read Chomsky’s “Manufacturing Consent.” What Russia and China are doing is child’s play compared to what corporate mass media can do.