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I think you’re right but the problem is that this time it’s different: maybe the rights will arise, but for many people it’ll be too late. Assume there is a pr

by entee 7y ago

I think you’re right but the problem is that this time it’s different: maybe the rights will arise, but for many people it’ll be too late. Assume there is a privacy law enacted, all the data that was previously collected is still around. So essentially people around prior to that law are still somewhat screwed. It’s good for those coming afterwards, so eventually it washes out, but it won’t be like the FDA or slavery where everyone benefits quickly.

CharlesColeman 7y ago
>> The Magna Carta was written in response to an awful king, the FDA was established as a response to widespread problems with people getting poisoned, slavery wasn't abolished until millenia after it was invented, and labor organization (leading to such modern niceties as the 40 hour week) did not arise until well after the industrial revolution. Give it time. > I think you’re right but the problem is that this time it’s different: maybe the rights will arise, but for many people it’ll be too late. This time is not different. Take the FDA example for instance: it's founding (or later gaining the power to oversee drug safety) didn't help the people who'd already been poisoned [1]. The reforms were too late for them. [1] an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radithor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radithor
- entee 7y ago
  Oh of course, but those who had not yet been poisoned were protected. I guess I'm agreeing with you and adding the caveat that nearly everyone is already poisoned.
  - dragonsngoblins 7y ago
    I guess the hope at this point is that our children won't be. I miss the vibe of the late 90s and early 00s. I remember feeling like sure the world is fucked both socially and environmentally but that things would improve. The bad old lot would be kicked out, the internet would spread freedom and understanding, science would advance and we would all prosper. Hell I remember being a kid back then and being frustrated by all the environmental themes in media back then because of course we should all care about that sort of thing, it was obvious. Same as I remember getting sick of all the "don't be racist/homophobic" very special episodes for the same reason - obviously they were preaching to the choir right? Well now environmentalism seems to have fallen off and the planet is fucked. People are saying white men are to blame for everything or instead saying it is the fault of women and immigrants. The internet is instead a collection of platforms that are safe space echo chambers and is full of toxic culture wars. Science marches on and it brings us drone strikes, China's social credit system, a surveillance state, and the expectation we are always available to answer work emails. I want to get off this ride.

by entee 7y ago

CharlesColeman 7y ago

>> The Magna Carta was written in response to an awful king, the FDA was established as a response to widespread problems with people getting poisoned, slavery wasn't abolished until millenia after it was invented, and labor organization (leading to such modern niceties as the 40 hour week) did not arise until well after the industrial revolution. Give it time. > I think you’re right but the problem is that this time it’s different: maybe the rights will arise, but for many people it’ll be too late. This time is not different. Take the FDA example for instance: it's founding (or later gaining the power to oversee drug safety) didn't help the people who'd already been poisoned [1]. The reforms were too late for them. [1] an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radithor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radithor

entee 7y ago
Oh of course, but those who had not yet been poisoned were protected. I guess I'm agreeing with you and adding the caveat that nearly everyone is already poisoned.
- dragonsngoblins 7y ago
  I guess the hope at this point is that our children won't be. I miss the vibe of the late 90s and early 00s. I remember feeling like sure the world is fucked both socially and environmentally but that things would improve. The bad old lot would be kicked out, the internet would spread freedom and understanding, science would advance and we would all prosper. Hell I remember being a kid back then and being frustrated by all the environmental themes in media back then because of course we should all care about that sort of thing, it was obvious. Same as I remember getting sick of all the "don't be racist/homophobic" very special episodes for the same reason - obviously they were preaching to the choir right? Well now environmentalism seems to have fallen off and the planet is fucked. People are saying white men are to blame for everything or instead saying it is the fault of women and immigrants. The internet is instead a collection of platforms that are safe space echo chambers and is full of toxic culture wars. Science marches on and it brings us drone strikes, China's social credit system, a surveillance state, and the expectation we are always available to answer work emails. I want to get off this ride.