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> have yet to find a manufacturer that takes privacy seriously What's wrong with Apple then?

• deadmutex 7y ago
  You need an iPhone. The square design might not appeal to everyone
  • klohto 7y ago
    That wasn't the point of the original comment at all, this is your personal projection.
• mikestew 7y ago
  Whatever device I have should transfer data only to computers that are under my control. It might be possible to keep the data local, but it is likely to be neither easy, nor easy to NOT end up accidentally linking it to iCloud. Where I personally don't have a problem with those data living on Apple's servers, parent obviously does.
  • kccqzy 7y ago
    I'm under the impression that health data is not uploaded to iCloud or backed up by iCloud backup. What makes you think otherwise?
    • MereInterest 7y ago
      From https://www.apple.com/ios/health/ https://www.apple.com/ios/health/ > Your health data stays up to date across all your devices automatically using iCloud, where it is encrypted while in transit and at rest. Apps that access HealthKit are required to have a privacy policy, so be sure to review these policies before providing apps with access to your health and fitness data. That it is uploaded and capable of being shared with apps implies that Apple both has access to it and is capable of decrypting it. I also have a wider definition of "health data", and would include sleep patterns, heart rate, and exercise rate under it.
      • RandallBrown 7y ago
        I think all the decryption happens on the phone, so Apple can't actually see your iCloud data.
        • anon9001 7y ago
          I would be very surprised if that were true. Apple needs to be able to help users reset passwords and recover data. And it would be a complicated key management situation when adding or removing devices.
          • millstone 7y ago
            It is indeed true (and complicated). There have been well-publicized cases of users who have been permanently locked out of their account, because they lost all their trusted devices and also their recovery key.
            • anon9001 7y ago
              Well, I am very surprised, thanks for the info :)
      • klohto 7y ago
        That is for iOS and not the watchOS. All health data is stored on the device and Apple does not have access to it. It doesn't even have the means to decrypt it.
      • graeme 7y ago
        They can't decrypt the health data. They can decrypt most icloud categories, but a few are only exempt. You can also shut off icloud backup for health. https://support.apple.com/en-il/HT209519 https://support.apple.com/en-il/HT209519 -------- [forgive me, for the life of me I don't easily know how to format lists on HN or even put things on newlines without double spacing] "These features and their data are transmitted and stored in iCloud using end-to-end encryption: Home data Health data (requires iOS 12 or later) iCloud Keychain (includes all of your saved accounts and passwords) Payment information Quicktype Keyboard learned vocabulary (requires iOS 11 or later) Screen Time Siri information Wi-Fi passwords" https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 ------ Imessages are also end to end encrypted. However, if you use icloud backup, they can be decrypted as the keys are backed up.