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>at least we would have a shot at keeping it democratic If by democratic you mean freedom to form outrage mobs then I'd agree, but I don't think that would be

>at least we would have a shot at keeping it democratic If by democratic you mean freedom to form outrage mobs then I'd agree, but I don't think that would be a good thing. Having thousands of people in some community screaming for the head of some kid who said something dumb about his school and his dad's rifle on a Call of Duty discord is not going to end well for the kid. I'm not sure I believe in completely open data because entire populations with access to it are not completely rational.

naringas 7y ago
> I'm not sure I believe in completely open data because entire populations with access to it are not completely rational. certainly not. but we are at the beginning of a cultural shift in line with the renaissance and the age of enlightnement which vastly changed the cultural mindset quite a bit. before these previous 'cultural revolutions' what people considered rational was different.
- bilbo0s 7y ago
  I think we agree that we are in the middle of a cultural shift, but I don't think it's going where you think it is. It's exactly this cultural shift that I'm worried about. What exactly does crowdsourced school security look like in an environment of radically open data? I just think you're being very optimistic.
  - naringas 7y ago
    no one can tell where will end up. regardless, I don't think it's optimism because I don't think I will leave long enough to see such a world, at best we will leave through the roughest part of the shift. this level of cultural transformation takes more tha a few of generations. in any case, I see something else regarding the way in which individual humans are aware of the relationship to their supporting society which translates up to the way in which a distinct society sees itself as a component of a larger system. where do you think this is going?
vixen99 7y ago
As against the populations which are completely rational as determined by whom?
excalibur 7y ago
Weird that we're having the same discussion on two different threads, I suppose I started it. > If by democratic you mean freedom to form outrage mobs then I'd agree, but I don't think that would be a good thing. I don't think it would be an objectively good thing either. I only think it may be better than the alternative. Given a choice between an authoritarian dictatorship and an authoritarian democracy, I lean toward the latter. Additionally, I think you may not be giving people enough credit. Devolution of democracy to mob rule is certainly a danger, but I don't know that it's a foregone conclusion. I don't how to go about preserving individual liberty without privacy, but as long as the common man has power it should be possible in theory.
- bilbo0s 7y ago
  I mean if you're going into this whole thing with your eyes open and you're saying, "I know that I'm just replacing authoritarian dictatorship with authoritarian democracy." Then we have no debate. You're fully aware of the danger of what's coming. Just be aware, authoritarian democracy with full open access to the totality of everyone's data is not really authoritarian democracy. It's totalitarian democracy. Just that small nit pick but other than that, if you know what you're getting into, go for it. I just disagree with that trade off.

naringas 7y ago

> I'm not sure I believe in completely open data because entire populations with access to it are not completely rational. certainly not. but we are at the beginning of a cultural shift in line with the renaissance and the age of enlightnement which vastly changed the cultural mindset quite a bit. before these previous 'cultural revolutions' what people considered rational was different.

bilbo0s 7y ago
I think we agree that we are in the middle of a cultural shift, but I don't think it's going where you think it is. It's exactly this cultural shift that I'm worried about. What exactly does crowdsourced school security look like in an environment of radically open data? I just think you're being very optimistic.
- naringas 7y ago
  no one can tell where will end up. regardless, I don't think it's optimism because I don't think I will leave long enough to see such a world, at best we will leave through the roughest part of the shift. this level of cultural transformation takes more tha a few of generations. in any case, I see something else regarding the way in which individual humans are aware of the relationship to their supporting society which translates up to the way in which a distinct society sees itself as a component of a larger system. where do you think this is going?

vixen99 7y ago

As against the populations which are completely rational as determined by whom?

excalibur 7y ago

Weird that we're having the same discussion on two different threads, I suppose I started it. > If by democratic you mean freedom to form outrage mobs then I'd agree, but I don't think that would be a good thing. I don't think it would be an objectively good thing either. I only think it may be better than the alternative. Given a choice between an authoritarian dictatorship and an authoritarian democracy, I lean toward the latter. Additionally, I think you may not be giving people enough credit. Devolution of democracy to mob rule is certainly a danger, but I don't know that it's a foregone conclusion. I don't how to go about preserving individual liberty without privacy, but as long as the common man has power it should be possible in theory.

bilbo0s 7y ago
I mean if you're going into this whole thing with your eyes open and you're saying, "I know that I'm just replacing authoritarian dictatorship with authoritarian democracy." Then we have no debate. You're fully aware of the danger of what's coming. Just be aware, authoritarian democracy with full open access to the totality of everyone's data is not really authoritarian democracy. It's totalitarian democracy. Just that small nit pick but other than that, if you know what you're getting into, go for it. I just disagree with that trade off.