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In a country that doesn't have universal healthcare you blame twitter for reducing the lifespan of the poor?

AlexTWithBeard 7y ago
What's about a country that does have a universal healthcare for poor? Oh, wait...
swebs 7y ago
1. If lack of healthcare were the cause, wouldn't life expectancy also drop equally for all other demographics who are just as poor? 2. The article specifically mentioned the uptick is caused by suicide and drug overdose 3. America does have a healthcare system for the poor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid
- gerbilly 7y ago
  And is drug rehab a funded by the healthcare system for the poor in the US?
  - swebs 7y ago
    A quick google search confirms that it is. https://www.addictioncenter.com/rehab-questions/medicaid-and-medicare/ https://www.addictioncenter.com/rehab-questions/medicaid-and...
  - AlexTWithBeard 7y ago
    Yes, why? https://www.addicted.org/medicaid-drug-rehab-centers.html https://www.addicted.org/medicaid-drug-rehab-centers.html
    - gerbilly 7y ago
      Well great then. My hunch didn't pan out.
thiago_fm 7y ago
When you are a privileged American, that's all you can see: people who don't agree with you are the reason why people are overdosing and committing suicide. It's sad. Just adding to what you said, which is correct, the issue is much more likely to be because the US nowadays is a very developed economy, but socially and culturally it is worse than many of third world countries. The country is only good for a very few. And I'm not even pushing some leftist view or anything. It's more like, there is so much data that says this is completely wrong and in many cases even dampers economic development. For instance, just imagine if all black Americans would have a degree, how much GDP the US would add? Or if there wouldn't be an incentive for doctors to prescribe a lot of medicine to people? In the US there are a lot of wrong incentives and this is what is killing Americans and making it look like a silly country when compared to other developed countries. Almost all the other developed countries, if not all, the people live better lives, of more quality, more happy... even though they have lower GDP per capita than US.
zarkov99 7y ago
We never had it and we have never been this unhappy. Read "Coming apart". It focuses on whites, but the lessons there apply to any demographic. The economy has come to value one thing above all others: intellectual aptitude. Intellectual ability is different from other talents, in two important ways. First, one very smart person can do things that a million less smart cannot, no matter how motivated, and second, the fruits of high IQ, consisting mostly of information, can be easily duplicated. The result is that, increasingly, only a few, incredibly talented people, actually have economic value. Everybody else is left without pride, purpose or a livelihood. Though this is no picnic for women, it is particularly devastating for men, who tend to tie much of their self image to their ability to provide. There is no easy way out of this trap and for many suicide is the only escape they see.

What's about a country that does have a universal healthcare for poor? Oh, wait...

1. If lack of healthcare were the cause, wouldn't life expectancy also drop equally for all other demographics who are just as poor? 2. The article specifically mentioned the uptick is caused by suicide and drug overdose 3. America does have a healthcare system for the poor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

gerbilly 7y ago
And is drug rehab a funded by the healthcare system for the poor in the US?
- swebs 7y ago
  A quick google search confirms that it is. https://www.addictioncenter.com/rehab-questions/medicaid-and-medicare/ https://www.addictioncenter.com/rehab-questions/medicaid-and...
- AlexTWithBeard 7y ago
  Yes, why? https://www.addicted.org/medicaid-drug-rehab-centers.html https://www.addicted.org/medicaid-drug-rehab-centers.html
  - gerbilly 7y ago
    Well great then. My hunch didn't pan out.

thiago_fm 7y ago

When you are a privileged American, that's all you can see: people who don't agree with you are the reason why people are overdosing and committing suicide. It's sad. Just adding to what you said, which is correct, the issue is much more likely to be because the US nowadays is a very developed economy, but socially and culturally it is worse than many of third world countries. The country is only good for a very few. And I'm not even pushing some leftist view or anything. It's more like, there is so much data that says this is completely wrong and in many cases even dampers economic development. For instance, just imagine if all black Americans would have a degree, how much GDP the US would add? Or if there wouldn't be an incentive for doctors to prescribe a lot of medicine to people? In the US there are a lot of wrong incentives and this is what is killing Americans and making it look like a silly country when compared to other developed countries. Almost all the other developed countries, if not all, the people live better lives, of more quality, more happy... even though they have lower GDP per capita than US.

zarkov99 7y ago

We never had it and we have never been this unhappy. Read "Coming apart". It focuses on whites, but the lessons there apply to any demographic. The economy has come to value one thing above all others: intellectual aptitude. Intellectual ability is different from other talents, in two important ways. First, one very smart person can do things that a million less smart cannot, no matter how motivated, and second, the fruits of high IQ, consisting mostly of information, can be easily duplicated. The result is that, increasingly, only a few, incredibly talented people, actually have economic value. Everybody else is left without pride, purpose or a livelihood. Though this is no picnic for women, it is particularly devastating for men, who tend to tie much of their self image to their ability to provide. There is no easy way out of this trap and for many suicide is the only escape they see.