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Security by obscurity is no security at all. What is needed is stronger individual rights to access, correct, delete, and control the use of any information co

Security by obscurity is no security at all. What is needed is stronger individual rights to access, correct, delete, and control the use of any information collected about us, as well as strong prohibitions on the use of data against our individual and collective interests.

hrktb 7y ago
The point is not security though, but privacy. At its base privacy is obscurity. Also you seem to advocate for every single individual to run a race against the rest of the world to not misuse their data. We both wish there was decent safeguards, I am way more pessimistic about any effective rights regulation though (I think it’s just way too hard for any legislation body). Not saying nothing should be done on the elgal anr regulation side, but that it’s only a tiny drop in what is needed for us to preserve privacy.
- Merrill 7y ago
  The problem with privacy by obscurity is that once broken it cannot be fixed. Once information is released and becomes public, there is no way to retrieve or expunge it from the public record. The only remedy is law, regulation, and a social compact that the continued dissemination and use against your interests is forbidden.
  - Nasrudith 7y ago
    The real issue historically hasn't been privacy itself in many cases so much as people unduly giving a fuck about things they shouldn't because it doesn't actually affect them at all or their "requirements" are objectively barking mad. While surveillance is full of evils the true root of most damage from releases. Society's stupid reactions are and it would prefer to change anything execpt their dumb presumptions in the face of reality and morality. It brings to mind the stacked absurdity of pagent winners losing their crown over nude picture releases. Clearly they should inspect the models to beforehand to be sure they have Barbie Doll crotches beforehand if having a naked body is a disqualifier. It would save them all embarassment once they realize there are no qualified human models which meet their standards and they will have to make due with giving trophies to department store mannequins. Or the many who suffered from being outed as gay including dumbass tautologies where making a secret firing worthy because of a risk of blackmail - that they created.

hrktb 7y ago

The point is not security though, but privacy. At its base privacy is obscurity. Also you seem to advocate for every single individual to run a race against the rest of the world to not misuse their data. We both wish there was decent safeguards, I am way more pessimistic about any effective rights regulation though (I think it’s just way too hard for any legislation body). Not saying nothing should be done on the elgal anr regulation side, but that it’s only a tiny drop in what is needed for us to preserve privacy.

Merrill 7y ago
The problem with privacy by obscurity is that once broken it cannot be fixed. Once information is released and becomes public, there is no way to retrieve or expunge it from the public record. The only remedy is law, regulation, and a social compact that the continued dissemination and use against your interests is forbidden.
- Nasrudith 7y ago
  The real issue historically hasn't been privacy itself in many cases so much as people unduly giving a fuck about things they shouldn't because it doesn't actually affect them at all or their "requirements" are objectively barking mad. While surveillance is full of evils the true root of most damage from releases. Society's stupid reactions are and it would prefer to change anything execpt their dumb presumptions in the face of reality and morality. It brings to mind the stacked absurdity of pagent winners losing their crown over nude picture releases. Clearly they should inspect the models to beforehand to be sure they have Barbie Doll crotches beforehand if having a naked body is a disqualifier. It would save them all embarassment once they realize there are no qualified human models which meet their standards and they will have to make due with giving trophies to department store mannequins. Or the many who suffered from being outed as gay including dumbass tautologies where making a secret firing worthy because of a risk of blackmail - that they created.