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Most asylum seekers don't have valid claims for asylum. They are economic migrants that are bogging down the system for valid asylum cases. Bogging down a syste

Most asylum seekers don't have valid claims for asylum. They are economic migrants that are bogging down the system for valid asylum cases. Bogging down a system that was not built for it results in overcrowding, long delays and other pretty shitty things. Thats why congress needs to take further action to 1) limit the number of invalid claims making it into the system and 2) make sure DHS/ICE has the proper resources to deal with it all.

verall 7y ago
The current administration has been crystal-clear that it intends to reduce legal and illegal immigration through all means available. One of these means is lengthening the asylum-seeking process and requirements. Another is reducing the allowed number of successful asylum seekers through informal quotas. The current administration has done both. They are intentionally gumming up the asylum system in order to make good on their campaign promises. "It's the fault of invalid economic migrants" is a talking point.
- refurb 7y ago
  What you see as “lengthening the process”, others see as actually aligning the process with the laws. HN loves to rail against the corrupt H1-B system, but apparently actually getting asylum seekers is amoral. What would be more honest is to say “I don’t like cheap tech labor, so therefore clamping down on H1-Bs is good.” And “I don’t like the Trump administration and I want an open immigration system, so what Trump is doing to asylum seekers is bad.” It’s all politics.
  - p1necone 7y ago
    H1-B visas and asylum seekers are two entirely different things, I'm not sure why you're trying to conflate them. Edit: arguing about the legality of the asylum seekers is also missing the point.
    - refurb 7y ago
      The point is, people like to claim “immigration good”, but when you dig down into their actions, you find their actual views are heavily influenced by self-serving goals.
  - pnw_hazor 7y ago
    Failing to or refusing to seek asylum in an adjacent safe country (i.e., Mexico) is an automatic no-go on an asylum claim. Also, claiming asylum because of local criminal elements (non-state actors) is an automatic no-go for an asylum claim. (Note, Obama's DOJ fucked this one up by letting an immigration judge (unlawfully) grant an asylum claim because of local non-state criminal threats.) Hence, the flood gates opened and people began sending women and children first, rather than adults to sneak in and find work.
  - verall 7y ago
    > What you see as “lengthening the process”, others see as actually aligning the process with the laws. It is lengthening the process no matter how I or anyone "sees" it. It's comparative, I didn't give a value judgement. It is all politics. Part of the current administration's campaign promises was to let in less immigrants. They now take political moves to do so, including lengthening the asylum process. There are other reasons besides not liking cheap tech labor to not like H1-B visas. Because they are tied to employers, workers that hold them are easier to abuse, as they have few other options. Other people don't like that it is based on a lottery system, and so companies that request the most H1B visas will get the most H1B visas. It is not dissonant to believe that H1B should be reduced or removed in its entirety but other visas and legal immigration avenues should be also be opened up.

verall 7y ago

The current administration has been crystal-clear that it intends to reduce legal and illegal immigration through all means available. One of these means is lengthening the asylum-seeking process and requirements. Another is reducing the allowed number of successful asylum seekers through informal quotas. The current administration has done both. They are intentionally gumming up the asylum system in order to make good on their campaign promises. "It's the fault of invalid economic migrants" is a talking point.

refurb 7y ago
What you see as “lengthening the process”, others see as actually aligning the process with the laws. HN loves to rail against the corrupt H1-B system, but apparently actually getting asylum seekers is amoral. What would be more honest is to say “I don’t like cheap tech labor, so therefore clamping down on H1-Bs is good.” And “I don’t like the Trump administration and I want an open immigration system, so what Trump is doing to asylum seekers is bad.” It’s all politics.
- p1necone 7y ago
  H1-B visas and asylum seekers are two entirely different things, I'm not sure why you're trying to conflate them. Edit: arguing about the legality of the asylum seekers is also missing the point.
  - refurb 7y ago
    The point is, people like to claim “immigration good”, but when you dig down into their actions, you find their actual views are heavily influenced by self-serving goals.
- pnw_hazor 7y ago
  Failing to or refusing to seek asylum in an adjacent safe country (i.e., Mexico) is an automatic no-go on an asylum claim. Also, claiming asylum because of local criminal elements (non-state actors) is an automatic no-go for an asylum claim. (Note, Obama's DOJ fucked this one up by letting an immigration judge (unlawfully) grant an asylum claim because of local non-state criminal threats.) Hence, the flood gates opened and people began sending women and children first, rather than adults to sneak in and find work.
- verall 7y ago
  > What you see as “lengthening the process”, others see as actually aligning the process with the laws. It is lengthening the process no matter how I or anyone "sees" it. It's comparative, I didn't give a value judgement. It is all politics. Part of the current administration's campaign promises was to let in less immigrants. They now take political moves to do so, including lengthening the asylum process. There are other reasons besides not liking cheap tech labor to not like H1-B visas. Because they are tied to employers, workers that hold them are easier to abuse, as they have few other options. Other people don't like that it is based on a lottery system, and so companies that request the most H1B visas will get the most H1B visas. It is not dissonant to believe that H1B should be reduced or removed in its entirety but other visas and legal immigration avenues should be also be opened up.