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These aren't people fleeing genocide. These are people leaving Mexico. And they're being put in hotels and buses. It's easy to pretend you're fellow American

These aren't people fleeing genocide. These are people leaving Mexico. And they're being put in hotels and buses. It's easy to pretend you're fellow Americans are monsters, but they're not.

zer00eyz 7y ago
Hotels? If you call jail (on a good day) a hotel then I have a bridge to sell you. And yes we put them on busses to get them back because it is cheeper than flying them. > These aren't people fleeing genocide. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/mexico-travel-advisory.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/... You as an American should not go there, but them fleeing here is problematic?
- tomschlick 7y ago
  Crime != genocide. And asylum cases require specific threats to your life not just "it's not nice there and I want to come to the US". https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/asylum-or-refugee-status-who-32298.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/asylum-or-refugee-st...
dragonwriter 7y ago
> These aren't people fleeing genocide. These are people leaving Mexico. No, they are people fleeing violence in Central America through Mexico, in large part. That violence, incidentally, is in substantial part resulting from the US training nonviolent drug war criminals into extremely violent criminals in its original and then deporting then to Central America what they have no substantial roots.
- CapricornNoble 7y ago
  >>>No, they are people fleeing violence in Central America through Mexico, in large part. If you are passing through one country because you desire to get to a specific destination, you are basically asylum shopping. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_shopping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_shopping
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    Or, you know, the country you are passing through presents (for overlapping, though not identical reasons) reasons the same dangers that you are escaping from, so it's not any kind of escape.
    - CapricornNoble 7y ago
      My very cursory understanding of the international legal agreements on this subject don't seem to take that into account. In other words: that problem does not create a legal obligation on the US's part to accommodate them, nor does it put a legal obligation on Mexico or any other intermediate state to facilitate their transfer.
      - dragonwriter 7y ago
        > My very cursory understanding of the international legal agreements on this subject don't seem to take that into account. Even nativist politicians making incorrect claims about the law here tend to claim it requires efforts to seek asylum in the first safe country, which even if true would, in fact, fully take into account the problem of an intervening country that shared the same problem being fled from in the country of nationality or habitual residence. See, e.g., referring to this claim: https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/ https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country...

These aren't people fleeing genocide. These are people leaving Mexico. And they're being put in hotels and buses. It's easy to pretend you're fellow Americans are monsters, but they're not.

zer00eyz 7y ago

Hotels? If you call jail (on a good day) a hotel then I have a bridge to sell you. And yes we put them on busses to get them back because it is cheeper than flying them. > These aren't people fleeing genocide. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/mexico-travel-advisory.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/... You as an American should not go there, but them fleeing here is problematic?

tomschlick 7y ago
Crime != genocide. And asylum cases require specific threats to your life not just "it's not nice there and I want to come to the US". https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/asylum-or-refugee-status-who-32298.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/asylum-or-refugee-st...

dragonwriter 7y ago

> These aren't people fleeing genocide. These are people leaving Mexico. No, they are people fleeing violence in Central America through Mexico, in large part. That violence, incidentally, is in substantial part resulting from the US training nonviolent drug war criminals into extremely violent criminals in its original and then deporting then to Central America what they have no substantial roots.

CapricornNoble 7y ago
>>>No, they are people fleeing violence in Central America through Mexico, in large part. If you are passing through one country because you desire to get to a specific destination, you are basically asylum shopping. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_shopping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_shopping
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  Or, you know, the country you are passing through presents (for overlapping, though not identical reasons) reasons the same dangers that you are escaping from, so it's not any kind of escape.
  - CapricornNoble 7y ago
    My very cursory understanding of the international legal agreements on this subject don't seem to take that into account. In other words: that problem does not create a legal obligation on the US's part to accommodate them, nor does it put a legal obligation on Mexico or any other intermediate state to facilitate their transfer.
    - dragonwriter 7y ago
      > My very cursory understanding of the international legal agreements on this subject don't seem to take that into account. Even nativist politicians making incorrect claims about the law here tend to claim it requires efforts to seek asylum in the first safe country, which even if true would, in fact, fully take into account the problem of an intervening country that shared the same problem being fled from in the country of nationality or habitual residence. See, e.g., referring to this claim: https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/ https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country...