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You are defending literal slave labor. https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/us/immigrant-detention-forced-labor-lawsuit/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/us/

You are defending literal slave labor. https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/us/immigrant-detention-forced-labor-lawsuit/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/us/immigrant-detention-forced...

tomschlick 7y ago
It looks like that lawsuit is alleging that prisoners only making $1-4 a day is slave labor when to my knowledge that's common in almost all prisons in the US. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2017/04/10/wages/ https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2017/04/10/wages/ That's not to say its a good practice or policy but nothing there looks like its any different for ICE detainees.
- dandanqu82 7y ago
  The 13th amendment abolished slavery for everyone except prisoners. The fact that migrants are being treated like prison labor is evidence that they are performing slave labor.
  - bcheung 7y ago
    Slavery is still allowed for jury duty as well. You are forced to work and if you don't go they can throw you in prison and/or fine you.
    - admax88q 7y ago
      Oh Hacker News, you never cease to disappoint. "Prisoners are being forced to work for almost no pay, its modern day slavery." "Yeah but think about jury duty, I'm the real slave labour in my middle class lifestyle, having to participate the function of my democracy." I'm sure you think that taxation is theft as well.
jariel 7y ago
??? Your argument is upside down The vast majority of 'bad labour practices' in the US stem from employment of illegal aliens. Consider if those migrants were 'released from detention' they'd be employed illegally somewhere at sub-legal wages, sub-legal conditions, no unions, no complaints, no healthcare etc. etc.. Companies employ illegal labour largely because they can cheat on a variety of labour practices not because 'they can't find the talent'. This creates a toxic effect whereby those trying to 'play by the rules' can be put out of business by lower margin competitors and are forced into to doing this. There are many jobs that Americans would in fact do if wages and conditions were above bar. The primary driver of illegal migrant is jobs - when the economy booms, many more people enter illegally. When it's rough, there's a downturn. It would be much more simple and humane to simply go after the employment of illegal aliens on the basis of humanitarian grounds alone and there's ample ways to do this. FYI this likely would not affect the migrant of true refugees as much, ergo, you have a border system a little more focused on those in need, and less focused on economic migrants. GitHub is a large business in a fairly politically secular area (software) - they should be able to support anything the US government does aside from possibly weapon systems or military activities. The place for employees to get upset is at the ballot box, protest etc. etc..

You are defending literal slave labor. https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/us/immigrant-detention-forced-labor-lawsuit/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/us/immigrant-detention-forced...

tomschlick 7y ago

It looks like that lawsuit is alleging that prisoners only making $1-4 a day is slave labor when to my knowledge that's common in almost all prisons in the US. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2017/04/10/wages/ https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2017/04/10/wages/ That's not to say its a good practice or policy but nothing there looks like its any different for ICE detainees.

dandanqu82 7y ago
The 13th amendment abolished slavery for everyone except prisoners. The fact that migrants are being treated like prison labor is evidence that they are performing slave labor.
- bcheung 7y ago
  Slavery is still allowed for jury duty as well. You are forced to work and if you don't go they can throw you in prison and/or fine you.
  - admax88q 7y ago
    Oh Hacker News, you never cease to disappoint. "Prisoners are being forced to work for almost no pay, its modern day slavery." "Yeah but think about jury duty, I'm the real slave labour in my middle class lifestyle, having to participate the function of my democracy." I'm sure you think that taxation is theft as well.

jariel 7y ago

??? Your argument is upside down The vast majority of 'bad labour practices' in the US stem from employment of illegal aliens. Consider if those migrants were 'released from detention' they'd be employed illegally somewhere at sub-legal wages, sub-legal conditions, no unions, no complaints, no healthcare etc. etc.. Companies employ illegal labour largely because they can cheat on a variety of labour practices not because 'they can't find the talent'. This creates a toxic effect whereby those trying to 'play by the rules' can be put out of business by lower margin competitors and are forced into to doing this. There are many jobs that Americans would in fact do if wages and conditions were above bar. The primary driver of illegal migrant is jobs - when the economy booms, many more people enter illegally. When it's rough, there's a downturn. It would be much more simple and humane to simply go after the employment of illegal aliens on the basis of humanitarian grounds alone and there's ample ways to do this. FYI this likely would not affect the migrant of true refugees as much, ergo, you have a border system a little more focused on those in need, and less focused on economic migrants. GitHub is a large business in a fairly politically secular area (software) - they should be able to support anything the US government does aside from possibly weapon systems or military activities. The place for employees to get upset is at the ballot box, protest etc. etc..