6 ms·
I don't think the immigrant detention centers measure up to the definition at, for example, the Encylopedia Britannica: https://www.britannica.com/topic/concen
by baggy_trough 7y ago
I don't think the immigrant detention centers measure up to the definition at, for example, the Encylopedia Britannica:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp
- shadowgovt 7y agoI remember in 2016 when people were predicting people would be debating the definition of concentration camp during this administration. Here we are.
- baggy_trough 7y agoIf you want to avoid that debate, then maybe cool it with the exaggerated claims?
- shadowgovt 7y agoI'd like to avoid it by not having ICE run something that could even raise the question. They're even using some of the same facilities that were used for Japanese internment.
- malvosenior 7y agoThat makes sense since those same people are now labeling detention centers "concentration camps". It's tautological.
- shadowgovt 7y agoInteresting claim, but I don't think it's true. Source?
- malvosenior 7y agoI’m referring in part to your own comments. You said people would be debating the definition of concentration camps then you called a detention center for illegal immigrants a “concentration camp”. It is you who is trying to change the definition and fit it where it’s convenient to your politics.
- shadowgovt 7y agoI'm not changing definition; I'm going by definition used by others. https://www.thedailybeast.com/holocaust-survivor-yes-the-border-detention-centers-are-like-concentration-camps https://www.thedailybeast.com/holocaust-survivor-yes-the-bor...
- malvosenior 7y agoYou’re one person trying to change the definition, but you’re correct there are others trying to do the same.
- shadowgovt 7y agoI mean, if anyone should have some stake in the definition, it should probably be Holocaust survivors. Which is one of the reasons (to pop context back to the up-thread post) I find the claim the comparison cheapens the memory of the Holocaust somewhat worthy of skepticism.
- malvosenior 7y agoThat's not how language works. People can't just redefine things to suit their political needs (even if something terrible has happened to them in the past). It's 100% expected that people who break the law will be imprisoned if caught. A prison is not a "concentration camp", a detention center for illegal aliens is not a "concentration camp". People end up in those places because they broke the law, not because people rounded them up out of their homes and shipped them there.
- shadowgovt 7y agoWhat law have the people in the camps in the southern border broken? Think carefully on this, and ask yourself when they had their day in court. We have due process, and that applies to everyone beholden to our laws, whether or not they are citizens.