It depends. The CIA/NSA probably do contribute to the torture of people, or they did in the recent past, which is abhorrent. But the people they tortured were b

It depends. The CIA/NSA probably do contribute to the torture of people, or they did in the recent past, which is abhorrent. But the people they tortured were believed to be violent terrorists, whereas these countries torture and kill people just for speaking out about their government. Both are unjustifiable and unforgivable crimes against humanity, but the latter is still worse. I didn't say the CIA/NSA weren't unethical; just that they're probably not as unethical as NSO. But I could also be unaware of awful things CIA/NSA have done which are worse than what is publicly known, in which case I cede the point.