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That is such an elegant scam. It's like a magic trick complete with misdirection. Is there market where HN-type people come up with these and sell them to peop

That is such an elegant scam. It's like a magic trick complete with misdirection. Is there market where HN-type people come up with these and sell them to people to implement?

NilsIRL 7y ago
I doubt it because people are ethical (I hope). But this is so true. I feel like I always come up with so many loopholes but because of their nature of being "scams" I obviously don't do them.
- jorathexploruh1 7y ago
  You realize you just “hoped” people are ethical as a reply to a post describing a way in which at least one person was claimed to be unethical If you can use a pattern to grift off the system someone is using it. What’s most likely you’re not aware or emotionally predisposed to avoid connecting those dots
segh 7y ago
I hope not! Better put your efforts into creating value rather than winning zero-sum scams.
- novok 7y ago
  Negative-sum TBH
ghostbrainalpha 7y ago
You can't make a business of an honest marketplace based on selling services only to dishonest people. Eventually your own customers will ruin the business. This is the fundamental reason "Organized Crime" always fails in the end.
- ghaff 7y ago
  Organized Crime mostly fails because people get thrown in jail. Obviously not happening here.
  - warent 7y ago
    Usually because someone ends up betraying them, e.g. the Chicago Outfit. In other words, dishonesty ends up ruining them. So the comment still makes sense.
    - ghaff 7y ago
      Well, yeah, a faction ends in jail because someone rats them out—either inside or a competitor.
- koolba 7y ago
  Isn’t that what all those credit card dump sites do?
  - ghostbrainalpha 7y ago
    I'm not saying you can't make the business work in the short term. But ultimately the more successful it becomes the faster it will fail.
- qazpot 7y ago
  I don't think it is true that Organized Crime fails in the end. OC organizations like Cosa Nostra , Yakuza, Triads and many others are not disappearing any time soon.
  - ghostbrainalpha 7y ago
    Look closer at what you are calling "organizations". I would just call that an Industry. The individuals and businesses (Families) fail at a rapid rate. Just because they are replaced by other businesses in the same industry, doesn't mean that criminal organizations are successful in terms of longevity. There are some notable exceptions in the Yakuza, but I would argue even those fit the pattern because the most successful Yakuza are working in grey areas and aren't fully engaging in illegal actives.
dwaltrip 7y ago
> That is such an elegant scam. [...] Is there market where HN-type people come up with these and sell them to people to implement? Seriously? What kind of fucking question is that?
- 14 7y ago
  What type of question is that? I mean does adding fuck add something here? And honestly isn't there entire forums on the darkweb dedicated to scams and fraud and stolen goods? Those forums are full of ideas on how to rip people off are they not? Anyways I think you could get your point across without using fuck here on HN.
  - seibelj 7y ago
    Who fucking cares about swearing? Fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck
  - dwaltrip 7y ago
    It does add something. It succinctly and viscerally indicates how I abhorrent I find the line of thinking behind that question. I don't normally use language like that on HN, but in this case I thought it was appropriate.
elipsey 7y ago
lol, you're here too. This sort of reminds me of people at bars complaining about the type of people they meet at bars. :) What does "HN-type people" mean to you?
rhizome 7y ago
0week vulnerabilities for sale on the dark web. /s
missedthecue 7y ago
Yes, it's called blackhatworld.com

That is such an elegant scam. It's like a magic trick complete with misdirection. Is there market where HN-type people come up with these and sell them to people to implement?

NilsIRL 7y ago

I doubt it because people are ethical (I hope). But this is so true. I feel like I always come up with so many loopholes but because of their nature of being "scams" I obviously don't do them.

jorathexploruh1 7y ago
You realize you just “hoped” people are ethical as a reply to a post describing a way in which at least one person was claimed to be unethical If you can use a pattern to grift off the system someone is using it. What’s most likely you’re not aware or emotionally predisposed to avoid connecting those dots

segh 7y ago

I hope not! Better put your efforts into creating value rather than winning zero-sum scams.

novok 7y ago
Negative-sum TBH

ghostbrainalpha 7y ago

You can't make a business of an honest marketplace based on selling services only to dishonest people. Eventually your own customers will ruin the business. This is the fundamental reason "Organized Crime" always fails in the end.

ghaff 7y ago
Organized Crime mostly fails because people get thrown in jail. Obviously not happening here.
- warent 7y ago
  Usually because someone ends up betraying them, e.g. the Chicago Outfit. In other words, dishonesty ends up ruining them. So the comment still makes sense.
  - ghaff 7y ago
    Well, yeah, a faction ends in jail because someone rats them out—either inside or a competitor.
koolba 7y ago
Isn’t that what all those credit card dump sites do?
- ghostbrainalpha 7y ago
  I'm not saying you can't make the business work in the short term. But ultimately the more successful it becomes the faster it will fail.
qazpot 7y ago
I don't think it is true that Organized Crime fails in the end. OC organizations like Cosa Nostra , Yakuza, Triads and many others are not disappearing any time soon.
- ghostbrainalpha 7y ago
  Look closer at what you are calling "organizations". I would just call that an Industry. The individuals and businesses (Families) fail at a rapid rate. Just because they are replaced by other businesses in the same industry, doesn't mean that criminal organizations are successful in terms of longevity. There are some notable exceptions in the Yakuza, but I would argue even those fit the pattern because the most successful Yakuza are working in grey areas and aren't fully engaging in illegal actives.

dwaltrip 7y ago

> That is such an elegant scam. [...] Is there market where HN-type people come up with these and sell them to people to implement? Seriously? What kind of fucking question is that?

14 7y ago
What type of question is that? I mean does adding fuck add something here? And honestly isn't there entire forums on the darkweb dedicated to scams and fraud and stolen goods? Those forums are full of ideas on how to rip people off are they not? Anyways I think you could get your point across without using fuck here on HN.
- seibelj 7y ago
  Who fucking cares about swearing? Fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck
- dwaltrip 7y ago
  It does add something. It succinctly and viscerally indicates how I abhorrent I find the line of thinking behind that question. I don't normally use language like that on HN, but in this case I thought it was appropriate.

elipsey 7y ago

lol, you're here too. This sort of reminds me of people at bars complaining about the type of people they meet at bars. :) What does "HN-type people" mean to you?

rhizome 7y ago

0week vulnerabilities for sale on the dark web. /s

missedthecue 7y ago

Yes, it's called blackhatworld.com