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Why not also ban the gun emoji? Oh wait this is an American company where violence is OK but sex is taboo.
by sschueller 7y ago
Why not also ban the gun emoji? Oh wait this is an American company where violence is OK but sex is taboo.
- TallGuyShort 7y agoThey changed it to a water pistol, but this is the Internet where we have to be outraged anyway.
- slig 7y agoHave you seen the gun emoji recently?
- Lammy 7y agoAlready (kinda?) happened. A few years ago FB and Apple and Google and all the other major platform companies “nerfed” the gun emoji by reworking its appearance from a drawing of a realistic gun into a drawing of a water gun.
- brandonmenc 7y agoYet they still sell games where you shoot people and movies depicting horrific graphic violence. Murder simulators? Yay! Violence on film? Wow, awesome! A drawing of a gun? WOAH HOLD ON WAIT A MINUTE Makes nothing but sense.
- geddy 7y agoYeah let's pretend guns don't exist. Knives exist too, those are weapons, better ban them. You could throw apples at someone for long enough and probably hurt them a good bit, better ban them too. The sterilized world you want to live in is not necessarily the one that everyone else wants to live in.
- pushpop 7y agoApples aren’t specifically designed to kill people. You don’t have mass school shootings where dozens of kids are attacked by apples and suicides caused by apples are significantly fewer than those by guns. The two aren’t even remotely equatable.
- lostapathy 7y agoLots of guns aren’t designed to kill people either.
- pushpop 7y agoIndeed. But nobody is advocating a ban of water pistols, potato guns or other toys. Just the stuff that are actually lethal weapons.
- Accujack 7y agoAny tool is a weapon if you hold it right.
- pushpop 7y agoAnything is a weapon if you use it like one. However some things are actually designed to be weapons. It’s insane that people make the kind of argument you make because clearly there is a different between something that isn’t designed to be a weapon and misused; and something that is designed to kill people. The entire rest of the world has acknowledged that fact yet you’re still trying to conflate the two.
- Accujack 7y agoWeapons can and are misused. They're tools, not intent.
- pushpop 7y agoThat’s a logical fallacy. Killing some with a skirt is misuse. Killing some with a device that was purposely made to kill someone isn’t misuse. It might also be self-defence, man slaughter or any or a multitude of other things but you’re not using the gun for something it wasn’t designed to do.
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- corrys 7y agoSame old argument. Why isn't everything legal then? Why not make all explosives legal? Nuclear weapons?
- Konnstann 7y agoNukes are legal as long as you have enough of them. Isn't that how the game is played?
- corrys 7y agoIt is illegal to both posses nuclear materials (U.S. Code § 831) and to "develop or possess a radiological weapon" (U.S. Code § 832)
- undersuit 7y agoOK but now that I have made the bomb before you were able to stop me, will the federal government finally recognize Petoria?
- phissk 7y agoThe point being made is that if you have enough Nukes you can just tell the US "I don't like Codes 831 and 832, change them or I'll wipe your country out"
- journalctl 7y agoI don’t know, the rest of the developed world doesn’t want to live with gun violence, and they... don’t. Your argument is absurd, though, because most knives and apples aren’t designed to kill people, and serve other purposes. You can prevent access to one thing (like pipe bombs) without preventing access to other things (like knives). As always, intent and purpose matter, and it’s not all-or-nothing.
- dokem 7y agoThere is no other nation in the world which compares to the US. The US is the world power and it’s citizens have more rights than any other. So you cannot say that what ‘works’ for some fly by night westernized counties will work for the current flag ship of human progress.
- wcarron 7y agoAs an American citizen, this is one of the most laughable statements I've heard all day.
- big_chungus 7y agoBeing an American is not really a rebuttal of the above comment. Neither of you speak for all Americans. America being a world power is factual but not as directly pertinent as other issues. What is pertinent is that America has significantly more diversity than other developed nations. More importantly, there is significant cultural tension between many different groups. Finally, guns have legitimate uses, and are by-and-large used by legitimate people. Per FBI statistics [0], significantly more people were killed in 2016 by knives or alike weapons, whereas 374 deaths by rifle. Certainly handguns represent a larger number, but the current push is against so-called "assault rifles" which are, needless to say, categorized as "rifles" in the referenced data. Is a knife an in-appropriate symbol? [0]: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-...
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- linuxftw 7y agoMost people are okay with violence, though they might disagree with who gets to have a monopoly on violence. Police are allow to attack and be violent. Same with military organizations of different countries. Most people have a really, really difficult time conceptualizing that an individual might be as legitimate as a group of individuals (government) when it comes to rights, including the right to employ a violent defense.
- Rebelgecko 7y agoApple unilaterally decided that the pistol emoji actually refers to a water pistol. Most other vendors followed suit a year or two later. IMO this was an incredibly stupid thing to do. Someone on iOS could text their classmate something innocuous like "Can't wait for the school's field trip to the water park tomorrow!<gun emoji>". If the recipient was also on iOS, they'd see a squirt gun. If the classmate was on Android, they'd get a very different impression. Side note, does HN not support non-ASCII characters? It looks like the actual emoji was stripped from my comment
- layoutIfNeeded 7y agoSome are supported → ← ↔ ™ № others are not. Emojis aren’t.
- bryanmgreen 7y agoEveryone's jumping on the "solution" to the comment, but clearly missing the main point. I agree with your frustration that an eggplant is considered more dangerous to society than a gun.