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I have a feeling that this is going to include things like IQ and then we will get into a big racist mess.

0xB31B1B 7y ago
Strong disagree that IQ is gonna be an explanatory variable here. Not to get political here, but DJTs children, none are “outliers” as far as intelligence goes but all will inherit their fathers (outlier WRT income) income generation capacity within an order of magnitude.
- lotsofpulp 7y ago
  He himself inherited it.
- username90 7y ago
  This study found no correlation between environment and earnings when genes were accounted for. So you have a gene part and a random part, but parenting and such doesn't matter. Of course it might not apply to a few special cases like if you inherited a billion dollars, but for 99% of us that is not the case.
- navigatesol 7y ago
  >but DJTs children, none are “outliers” as far as intelligence goes How on earth could you possibly know this?
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1189722490819481600 https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/118972249081948160... > Actually just said by Donald Trump Jr: "I wish my name was Hunter Biden. I could go abroad and make millions off my father's presidency. I'd be a really rich guy" You can probably make some reasonable intelligence estimates off that sort of statement.
    - LegitShady 7y ago
      He's been threatened over meetings etc but Biden's kid outright goes into corruption using his dad's name and the media is carrying water for them. Makes complete sense to me.
H8crilA 7y ago
It almost certainly is explained in good part via IQ. IQ is strongly heritable and explains quite a bit of earnings variance. Not sure what's racist about that though. It's just reality, facts about humans.
- KMnO4 7y ago
  While IQ isn’t inherently racist, the data is racially biased. If you correlate IQ to race, you may find minority Y has a lower average IQ (true) which may falsely imply that the cause for X is being of race Y.
- journalctl 7y ago
  Discussions about IQ (which isn’t a particularly useful metric anyway, for various reasons) tend to veer into racist territory because people end up associating wealth and success with IQ, and since a disproportionate amount of wealth in America is controlled by whites people, and since minorities are more likely to live in poverty, this causes some people to suggest that those specific minorities have lower IQs or something. Basically, it brings up old racial stereotypes of non-whites not being as intelligent as whites, which is a very old, racist canard.
  - jacobreise 7y ago
    "because people end up associating wealth and success with IQ, and since a disproportionate amount of wealth in America is controlled by whites people, and since minorities are more likely to live in poverty, this causes some people to suggest that those specific minorities have lower IQs or something" This is really not how IQ testing is done. Rather than guessing about correlations in the environment to IQ and working backwards to come up with an estimate for IQ, generally IQ tests are administered.
    - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
      But notoriously with cultural bias. Questions about 'which of these tea-service items goes with the other?' and so on.
doorhurdle 7y ago
Of course, nature is very racist.

Strong disagree that IQ is gonna be an explanatory variable here. Not to get political here, but DJTs children, none are “outliers” as far as intelligence goes but all will inherit their fathers (outlier WRT income) income generation capacity within an order of magnitude.

lotsofpulp 7y ago
He himself inherited it.
username90 7y ago
This study found no correlation between environment and earnings when genes were accounted for. So you have a gene part and a random part, but parenting and such doesn't matter. Of course it might not apply to a few special cases like if you inherited a billion dollars, but for 99% of us that is not the case.
navigatesol 7y ago
>but DJTs children, none are “outliers” as far as intelligence goes How on earth could you possibly know this?
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1189722490819481600 https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/118972249081948160... > Actually just said by Donald Trump Jr: "I wish my name was Hunter Biden. I could go abroad and make millions off my father's presidency. I'd be a really rich guy" You can probably make some reasonable intelligence estimates off that sort of statement.
  - LegitShady 7y ago
    He's been threatened over meetings etc but Biden's kid outright goes into corruption using his dad's name and the media is carrying water for them. Makes complete sense to me.

H8crilA 7y ago

It almost certainly is explained in good part via IQ. IQ is strongly heritable and explains quite a bit of earnings variance. Not sure what's racist about that though. It's just reality, facts about humans.

KMnO4 7y ago
While IQ isn’t inherently racist, the data is racially biased. If you correlate IQ to race, you may find minority Y has a lower average IQ (true) which may falsely imply that the cause for X is being of race Y.
journalctl 7y ago
Discussions about IQ (which isn’t a particularly useful metric anyway, for various reasons) tend to veer into racist territory because people end up associating wealth and success with IQ, and since a disproportionate amount of wealth in America is controlled by whites people, and since minorities are more likely to live in poverty, this causes some people to suggest that those specific minorities have lower IQs or something. Basically, it brings up old racial stereotypes of non-whites not being as intelligent as whites, which is a very old, racist canard.
- jacobreise 7y ago
  "because people end up associating wealth and success with IQ, and since a disproportionate amount of wealth in America is controlled by whites people, and since minorities are more likely to live in poverty, this causes some people to suggest that those specific minorities have lower IQs or something" This is really not how IQ testing is done. Rather than guessing about correlations in the environment to IQ and working backwards to come up with an estimate for IQ, generally IQ tests are administered.
  - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
    But notoriously with cultural bias. Questions about 'which of these tea-service items goes with the other?' and so on.

doorhurdle 7y ago

Of course, nature is very racist.