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> ads aren't content themselves but a means for paying for that content I’ve seen plenty of ads that are creative, funny, and engaging in their own right. A l

by kd5bjo 7y ago

> ads aren't content themselves but a means for paying for that content I’ve seen plenty of ads that are creative, funny, and engaging in their own right. A lot of talented people lend their creativity to make these, and your statement feels reminiscent of people that say genres they don’t like aren’t actually music. It’s incredibly condescending to dismiss their work as “not content”.

BjoernKW 7y ago
Then let me define it more precisely: Ads usually are not the content a user requested or wanted to see when accessing a particular media outlet. In a way, well-designed ads are similar to a well-designed checkout process in that respect: I can admire its beauty or simplicity but I wouldn’t visit a website solely because of it.
- kd5bjo 7y ago
  This whole conversation is about the situation where the artist/author includes something that the viewer/user doesn’t want to see. Whether or not to include ads is as much an artistic choice as whether or not to include profanity— they’re both parts of the aggregate experience, and editing them out means you’re no longer experiencing the work as its creator intended. This is evident in that works sometimes include fictional advertisements with the same presentation as you would expect from real ones. As such, I struggle to see a meaningful distinction between these cases. As a corollary, I also believe online publications have a responsibility to exercise editorial control over the ads that appear on their sites.
  - pjc50 7y ago
    Ironically it's not usually the artists' choice, it's not unusual for the actual creators to be under contracts to the publisher which give them very little veto over the context in which a work is shown and what ads are included in it. Especially with works produced by a large number of people like films.
    - kd5bjo 7y ago
      But it was their choice to enter into the contract in the first place. When someone delegates part of their job to someone else (in this case distribution to the publisher), that doesn’t absolve them of responsibility for the end result— choose your partners wisely, because their choices will reflect on you.
- gpderetta 7y ago
  Yet you could make the same claim (" not the content a user requested or wanted to see") for edited movies.

by kd5bjo 7y ago

BjoernKW 7y ago

Then let me define it more precisely: Ads usually are not the content a user requested or wanted to see when accessing a particular media outlet. In a way, well-designed ads are similar to a well-designed checkout process in that respect: I can admire its beauty or simplicity but I wouldn’t visit a website solely because of it.

kd5bjo 7y ago
This whole conversation is about the situation where the artist/author includes something that the viewer/user doesn’t want to see. Whether or not to include ads is as much an artistic choice as whether or not to include profanity— they’re both parts of the aggregate experience, and editing them out means you’re no longer experiencing the work as its creator intended. This is evident in that works sometimes include fictional advertisements with the same presentation as you would expect from real ones. As such, I struggle to see a meaningful distinction between these cases. As a corollary, I also believe online publications have a responsibility to exercise editorial control over the ads that appear on their sites.
- pjc50 7y ago
  Ironically it's not usually the artists' choice, it's not unusual for the actual creators to be under contracts to the publisher which give them very little veto over the context in which a work is shown and what ads are included in it. Especially with works produced by a large number of people like films.
  - kd5bjo 7y ago
    But it was their choice to enter into the contract in the first place. When someone delegates part of their job to someone else (in this case distribution to the publisher), that doesn’t absolve them of responsibility for the end result— choose your partners wisely, because their choices will reflect on you.
gpderetta 7y ago
Yet you could make the same claim (" not the content a user requested or wanted to see") for edited movies.